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A 'Basic' Question

On the cultivation of insight/wisdom
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A 'Basic' Question

Postby Collective » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:42 pm

Forgive me if this is in the wrong forum.

I have meditated for the last 18 months, possibly more toward the two year mark. I've read a few books, and lately, my time on the cushion has increased to 45 minutes every morning. I've read about vipassana nurturing real 'insight' and I've read about other various benefits. But I realised I didn't really understand how paying attention to the present reality works. How, the whole vipassana meditation way of things can help me out. I know about Dukkah, Annata and Annica (forgive my spelling), and although I do not dwell on their meaning (which I think is a big mistake of mine. I.e. I don't really ponder what it is they are telling me), I do understand 'basically' what they teach. I think I have to go beyond the superficial 'Nothing lasts', 'Nothing grants eternal happiness', and 'Nothing can be owned or controlled', and really think deeply about them.

Two of the main reasons for my studying/practising vipassana is to [a] Relax and more importantly [b] to rid my terror of dying (that there is a long story cut short).

So it is my hope that studying/practising vipassana will eventually clear out my negative thinking and set me free from the burden of worrying about dying. Death does not worry me, but dying, letting go, 'the loss of control' (even though I was taught we never really had any control), all that terrifies me. If I get a chest pain, or a head pain, or whatever, I try to observe it intently, to almost drown myself in it. So much so that I get lost in it to such an extent that I really have no time to ponder its possible meaning, of what it may entail.

So Vipassana, real insight, is this going to help me overcome not just my terror of dying, but of all terrors?

Thank you :namaste:

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby bodom » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:43 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:51 pm

I think that is very real Collective. I remember a time when i was in my twenties where my fear of dying became so acute that i could hardly bear to see graves...I dont look forward to it even now, but it has lost its terror. In part that is due to being older, but it is also a result of Vipassana practice...when the reality of anicca hits home personally it is both frightening initially and liberating.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby Modus.Ponens » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:55 pm

On another angle, metta meditation helps me with the fear of death. The Buddha said that one who practices metta dies unconfused. When I practice metta, I feel that if I would die that day, there wouldn't be a problem.

I hope this is not too off topic.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby Collective » Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:35 am

One morning I practice vipassana, the next I practice samatha, and so on.

Is this wise?

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:26 pm

Hi Collective

Does your method of vipassana make it easy for you to see the impermanence of all mental and material phenomena that arises?

With metta

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby budo » Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:23 am

Energy flows where attention goes

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby Kenshou » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:52 am

The difference is just in which aspect is emphasized, I think.

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby nameless » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:30 pm

I'm not an expert, just speaking from my own experience.

In vipassana, you note each event as it arises. For me, at some point I realized that fear for example, doesn't arises directly from the stimulus. So say that I'm afraid of dogs, the process at first seems to be see dog -> fear. But through meditation and observing in more detail what arises, it becomes something like see dog -> remember bad experience with dog -> anticipate bad experience will be repeated -> fear. And while it seems that remembering for example, happens automatically as well, it is in fact an active process which requires some "doing" on my part. So I guess for your situation, meditation might help you discover what lies between the stimulus and the fear, which might in turn reveal a better way to respond to it.

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby salty-J » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:54 am

I think it would be great to get rid of the fear of death! I'll try it tonight! Most nights I lay in bed, relaxing until I start gasping for breath (I need to the sleep apnea people but still...), acutely aware of my body's twitching as my conciousness gets hazy, until I am struck with this intense falling/spinning sensation, which causes me to sit up gasping for air, feeling the inevitability of death as clearly as the plastic on the keyboard and the tingling sensation in my right cheek...I'd like to get past that! :tongue: Metta meditation is supposed to prevent nightmares, and I have found on nights when say the metta meditation I got out of Mindfulness in Plain English, I haven't had the death-panic. :clap:
"It is what it is." -foreman infamous for throwing wrenches in fits of rage

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:50 pm

Hi Collective

Maybe you need to not 'drop' the mindfulness when you stop meditating but carry doing it after you 'finish' your (sitting) meditation as well..

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Re: A 'Basic' Question

Postby salty-J » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:52 am

"It is what it is." -foreman infamous for throwing wrenches in fits of rage


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