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Manasikara in sweeping

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Thanks Tilt,

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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loud gush the streamlets,
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The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby Sanghamitta » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:54 am

Indeed Ben ( re Equanimity ) I was fortunate to learn the Brahma Viharas at the same time as I was learning Vipassana. In my mind they are inseparable.

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Re: Manasikara in sweeping

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:30 pm

I think there are some methods of vipassana which make understanding anatta easier. Watching intentions arise in walking meditation (as well as other movements right through the day) is part of my lineage practice as well. Often the idea that I am doing something is strongly linked in with the sense of agency/self. It takes time and focused attention on intention to see its Nama rupa, cause effect interaction. That intention itself is causally arisen - hence doing away with the need for a do-er. Without seeing intention the idea of the self may well stay hidden in the unanswered question 'well who is doing the meditating' or 'who is shifting the awareness'. A clever practitioner may note this even if not intentionally focused upon, but that in my experience of teaching vipassana is rather rare.

Without getting past understanding non-self, there can be no bhanga nana (to link in with the other topic). Seeing anatta with any reliability/regularity involves seeing cause and effect very clearly (after seeing Nama rupa). Only some methods focus on cause and effect (of Nama rupa). Otherwise because of the inherant avijja, it is highly improbable these things would be understood without specific focus on these aspects of phenomena. Without seeingcause and effect as it is happening in all phenomena, there is no bhanga nana. This is paccaya parigghaha nana -the knowledge of causality, which is part of khankavitarana visuddhi (the purification of overcoming doubt). This visuddhi and this nana arise as effect of the previous nana and visuddhi- Nama rupa paticceda nana and Ditti visuddhi)

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Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:01 am

At the risk of addressing a non problem, or a problem which lies in my perception of some of the posts rather than in actuality..I think its worth pointing out that manasikara refers to directed attention...only. It does not suggest a focus on any given phenomenon to the exclusion of any other phenomenon. Manasikara is a means of loosening rather than accumulation.
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The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Manasikara in sweeping

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:36 am

To what is lit by the flashlight Retro. Manasikara is not the flashlight..consciousness is the flashlight. Manasikara is either the dance or the computer programme, depending on the analogy of your choice , which results from the volitional activity of applying the flashlight.
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Re: Manasikara in sweeping

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:49 am

Greetings Sanghamitta,

OK, sure... but when you scan down your arm for instance, consciousness doesn't just go on a merry amble all by itself - it is being intentionally directed that way.

Directed by what? Manasikara.

(Well that's how I understand it - happy to be corrected)

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Manasikara in sweeping

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:14 am

Manasikara is the volitional activity of scanning your arm. The scanning is done by awareness..focused attention.
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Re: Manasikara in sweeping

Postby Individual » Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:43 pm

Not necessarily. Even a computer can scan things, without having any awareness. Why couldn't humans do the same thing? :)
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