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Danger of Vipassana

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby rahula80 » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:37 am

Hi,

If non-Buddhists were to drop by, they would be put off by the discussion here.

Here's my understanding of vipassana:

By practicing the four establishment of mindfulness (satipatthana), one obtain an insight [acquisition of a new understanding without conscious use of reasoning] into anicca (impermanence), dukkha (suffering) and anatta (not-self). This lead to disenchantment (nibbida), dispassion (viraga), cessation (nirodha), and finally release (vimutti).

Please correct me, if I am wrong. Now, what is your understanding of vipassana?

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Rahula

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby Prasadachitta » Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:23 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:58 pm

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He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:45 pm

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby Raga Mala » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:23 pm

Hillstrom proceeds from the assumption that realizing no-self and impermanence represent pathologic/psychotic states: in other words, her underlying assumption for her ill-colored representation of our meditative experiences is that the realizations or wrong. Or to put it simply, Hillstrom believes that there is a self-soul and she believes there is a continuity/permanence to phenomena.

Therefore, anyone who perceives the world differently than this must have a psychological twist which is giving them bad ideas.

When you realize that her dialectic is based on such an assumption, the need to de-bunk it goes away. Because it is not merely our meditative experiences, but also our intellectual and mundane experiences, which show us that there is no self, and which show us the truth of impermanence. The Buddha several times in the suttas asked people to point to anything that was permanent, or anything that could constitute self. And, in truth, they could not. Likewise, Hillstrom presents (seemingly) no evidence to back up her axioms of selfhood and permanence.

Therefore her views on Vipassana are awry.
"It is easier to shout 'STOP!' than to do it." -Treebeard

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:04 pm

Well said Raga mala!
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Re: Danger of Vipassana

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:03 pm

There is no way this woman can understand vipassana. A fish might have been trying to describe land.

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby Individual » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:59 am

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:15 pm

Non-buddhists need not be offended - they are in a Buddhist site- nothing wrong with expressing our views.

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby rahula80 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:54 am

Hi,

Individual & rowyourboat,

I don't think there is anything wrong in starting the thread. Non-Buddhist may be here to learn about Buddhism. They would be interested to see Buddhist responses to the query, answering the question, rather than ad hominem response - so much anger, distrust - it this what Buddhism teaches?

I don't see anything wrong if we want to criticise Hilstrom, provided we can point what she was wrong about her description of Vipassana.


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Rahula

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby rahula80 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:20 am

Hi,

Gabe, Thanks a lot for your response. I greatly appreciate it.


".....finally comes when meditators break through Nirvana, a state in which all awareness of physical and mental phenomena ceases, at least for a short time."

Isn't this nirodha samapatti?

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Rahula

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Re: Danger of Vipassana

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:22 pm

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