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Why is Buddhist Faith not blind?

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Re: Why is Buddhist Faith not blind?

Postby kc2dpt » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:59 pm

I think debates on what Christians do or do not believe in, and discussions of whether other religions offer any value or not, are quite off topic for this very interesting thread on the nature of Buddhist faith. I'd like it if we could get back on topic.
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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Postby Jechbi » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:32 am

Tying this into the OP, maybe it's not a question of setting the bar as a division between "need faith" and "don't need faith." Maybe it's more a question of the degree to which that faith is "blind" as the term "blind faith" is broadly understood. I think with practice, faith in Dhamma becomes less and less "blind." A lot of this discussion has to do with symantics. And I guess what we regard as "faith" versus "knowledge" is going to be subjective. I have faith that Nibanna brings all that to an end. I don't think this faith is completely "blind," but I figure I'm probably wrong on some level. Gotta keep on working ...

So for the sake of argument, I wouldn't bother worrying about whether one's faith is less "blind" than that of one's Christian counterparts.

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Re: Why is Buddhist Faith not blind?

Postby lonewolf » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:56 am

Because it is not. Blind means to accept without verification, on a face value as far as I know.

We are asked, not to believe in anything, or anybody, and verify everything, even the words of the Buddha. We are told it's up to us, and our own wise, and Right Effort to free ourselves from the bonds of samsara.

So you start with nothing, and gradually build your understanding, all due to your own effort, and determination. No fairy tales, just hard work, seems reasonable to me.

Or as Sherlock Holmes would say: How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

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Postby Mkoll » Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:10 am

Blind faith in the Triple Gem is better than no faith at all.

IMO of course.
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Is it possible to have blind faith in the triple gem?

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Postby cooran » Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:51 am

I think blind faith would ensure a person ceased seeking and searching for ultimate truth - and therefore cease making progress on the Path.

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Re: Why is Buddhist Faith not blind?

Postby Dan Rooney » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:51 am

A slight tangent to the OP but on the blind faith thing, the idea that anyone has it - in the sense of believing things to be true but lacking any justification whatsoever for those beliefs - seems to be basically wrong. If you did have blind faith (of this type) how could you decide between what to believe and what not to believe? There must be some reason why you lean towards some truths and not others; your culture gives you a certain worldview or the myths of the religion have some explanatory power or have a particular experience, etc., etc. Whatever it is, there's going to be something. So the question is then, does religion A provide better or worse justifications for its claims than religion B. That seems like a very hard question to answer. How could you tell? If a Christian says that she has experience of the divine and a Buddhist says that she has experience of the deathless, how are you to adjudicate between those? It seems like a complete waste of time even trying.

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Re: Why is Buddhist Faith not blind?

Postby Anagarika » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:58 am

Listening to a youtube Dhamma talk by Ajahn Jayasaro, he describes Buddhist faith as a form of confidence, the same way that a scientist, having tested a hypothesis a number of times, has faith or confidence in the outcomes. As has been mentioned here earlier, the Buddha never insisted on untested faith, or a faith based on blindly accepting what one is taught. Yet, having been vetted for nearly 2600 years, the Buddha's teachings inspire confidence in his methodology, and the science (physics, psychology, et al) is corroborating much of what the Buddha taught with respect to dependent origination, the release of dukkha, anatta, anicca, and is even venturing into the corroboration of rebirth. The 4NT do seem, upon testing, to be a profoundly excellent way to live our lives, and we know from experience that acts of bright kamma over time tend to produce brighter kammic outcomes.

What distinguishes Buddhism from religions of "faith" is this quality of pragmatism, rationality, and scientific soundness. We have confidence in it not because some book says we must believe, not because we think that G-d wrote it, but because upon testing, it works, and it resonates with all that is rational, compassionate, ethical, and reasonable. And that is a sound foundation upon which to build your spiritual house.

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