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Bhikku Forum

Postby nathan » Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:02 am

How about supporting another kind of sub-forum. How about a forum specifically for the use of the ordained Sangha. Where the bhikkhus can speak as they would to each other about Dhamma and Vinaya? Bhikku forum. I think we could all learn a lot from 'hearing' their their discussions as they might then be enabled hold such discussions without our involvement in their threads. I'm not sure if it is possible but perhaps they could even have a protected sub-sub-forum for private discussions. By supporting the sub-forum Dhamma Wheel can provide 'shelter' for their acceptable uses on the part of the bhikkhus good purposes as members of the Sangha visible to us here in the virtual 'world'. Perhaps more bhikkhus would then feel more comfortable with interacting with the lay followers and disciples here as well.

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby Ben » Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:41 am

Hi Nathan

This is potentially an excellent idea. I would like to read some feedback from our contributing bhikkhus. Also keep in mind that our community of contributing bhikkhu sangha members is quite small.
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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby nathan » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:23 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Bhikku Forum

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby nathan » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:28 am

Ah, I see. Thank you Venerable Dhammanando, your perspective on this idea is very helpful. I suppose the suggestion is at the least premature. However I remember a time when I was one of only two private citizens with direct access to the internet in my country. Long before trumpet winsock and the .com revolution, well before even salesmen knew what a modem was. So, things change. Maybe in the future there will be new circumstances. When making allowances for things to occur those things are sometimes more likely to occur and sometimes not at all. Maybe in this case there really would be no need for such a forum, so it is good to find out some of the reasons why that would be. I'll take it as a good sign that the bhikkhus are content with things as they are and with the resources available. There is nothing that would prevent the Sangha from setting up their own forum if they wished to is there?
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby gavesako » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:06 am

There are various "groupings" among the Sangha members, even the Western Sangha alone. They are more or less loosely organized, some being quite independent loners (supported by a network of laypeople), others being part of a monastic group (such as the Ajahn Chah monasteries with its hierarchical structure: the senior monks have their own private on-line group). It is often easier to talk Dhamma with the laypeople, because when living together with monks, other issues tend to occupy the forefront (to do with community life and its problems). Usually people like to discuss controversial topics with one another, and for a bhikkhu some of these topics are potentially "sensitive" and they would not openly write about them in a forum.
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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby nathan » Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:20 am

Thank you Venerable Gavesako. All very understandable. I am wondering if perhaps the far flung forest monastics might have more to discuss if they had the means to do so. Even for everyone here there is the pm function. I thought it might be helpful for announcements, news items of interest and travels and speaking engagements and all sorts of things as well. For sure there would be a need for private discussions and perhaps the sub-forum could be a common point of access to other suitable bhikkhus for various pm or protected forum discussions. I realize it is all hypothetical however the net overall was only recently unimaginable so it is hard to know what the real limitations to pathways of development might be until an avenue is fully explored. We all benefit from the presence of the bhikkhus who do feel comfortable with spending time here. It would be to everyone's advantage to make more bhikkhus likewise more comfortable even in terms of lessening stress for those who are variously involved in the predominantly lay oriented net forums. However it may be that the Sangha may be better accommodated it can only benefit everyone. This is perhaps not the way to improve things but something was done right already to have attracted the attention to internet forums and the participation of bhikkhus. So even as a hypothetical exercise I think we can benefit from knowing from this perspective what has been done well and, if anything, what could be better or more beneficial. Thanks for the input.

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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby Will » Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:37 pm

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby nathan » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:46 pm

A guesstimate would be perhaps a hundred in the west and perhaps as many as a thousand western born Theravada bhikkhus in Asia. The Venerables would be more up to speed on the real numbers. I'm also curious what Retro and the other mods think about this thought balloon. The admins and mods have a good long term overview of forum growth or evolution and developments in patterns of use. Maybe they would have some general observations that apply here. I wonder how this idea would play out on one of the pan-traditional forum sites. That might be interesting too, ordained Sangha of different traditions enabled to have various discussions amongst qualified participants. I'd like to think it would make for better understanding and smoother interrelationships but I'm not entirely sure it would always produce only those results.
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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby Jechbi » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:53 pm

It's always cool when Ven. Huifeng and Ven. Dhammanando are engaged in the same thread over at E-Sangha and "talk" to one another. Very respectful, friendly, light-hearted and full of insight. A lesson for us all. I'd love it if Ven. Huifeng would join us here. Has anyone extended an invitation?

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:30 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby Ben » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:19 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby Element » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:24 am

If you wish to understand how bhikkhus are taught to view laypeople, start with the Vinaya.

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:25 am

Greetings,

Yes, I've always enjoyed venerable Huifeng's reflections on the early Buddhist schools... a subject he seems to have significant interest in.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby appicchato » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:06 am

From a personal perspective, I've not found a single thing that I would want to say to another monastic, on any topic, that couldn't be seen or heard by anyone, lay or ordained...so, if someone could kindly give me an example of a use for a 'bhikkhus only' subforum, that would be nice... :smile:

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby nathan » Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:40 am

But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Bhikku Forum

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:14 am

Greetings,

I'm going to close this. If any bhikkhus who use this forum wish to request such a forum in the future, please do not hesitate to do so. In the meantime, we'll assume there is insufficient demand and leave it at that.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine


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