Women can be Buddha

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Women can be Buddha

Postby Ana » Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:14 am

There was a topic here somewhere about women being Buddhas or not.
Woman can be Buddha and if who you call "the buddha" has said that woman can not be buddha then he himself was not a buddha.

how can an enlightened spirit, man or woman, leave his wife and his son behind and still be considered a Buddha? :lol:
it is said that Gautama instructed his son but nowhere it is said that he also instructed his wife.
this is not a gentleman's attitude :rules: and much less an attitude of an enlightened spirit.

the thing is, just like the world and its creatures are evolving, so is Buddha-nature - an ongoing process, an ongoing nature, always evolving
and in this sense not all is known, not all is discovered
even Buddha nature goes on evolving, reaching new possibilities, new peaks

the times back then demanded the conditions and the circumstances but everything is changing (culturally/socially)
the so called Buddha said that he didn't see any woman in any of the aeons he visited, but this statement is highly material because it implies that what he saw were men, and well, in the spiritual world there are no genders so how come he saw penises? aren't penises part of the physical world and physical body?
as far as it makes sense the spiritual world of aeons is not about physical charateristics therefore what he saw were just beings of light, not man and not woman.

in the future there will be Buddha women
all it takes is the courage and the choice of that next enlightened being to come as a woman

this is it

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Re: Women can be Buddha

Postby Ben » Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:38 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Women can be Buddha

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Re: Women can be Buddha

Postby Prasadachitta » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:59 pm

As far as I know it is recognized within the Buddhist tradition as a whole that females can be fully enlightened. That is, they can realize the total elimination of greed, hatred, and delusion. It happens that the discoverer of the way to this realization on this planet was born into a male body. Whether or not what we think of as a female will discover the Dhamma in some future time seems like one of the most unimportant things I can imagine when it comes to things we can know regarding the Dhamma. Whatever the scriptures say about it I seriously doubt it came from the Buddha. How can it have any bearing on the causes and cessation of suffering? This is after all the only thing the Buddha taught.

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"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Women can be Buddha

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Re: Women can be Buddha

Postby cooran » Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:59 pm

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Re: Women can be Buddha

Postby Ben » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:23 pm

Dear all

At this point I would like to remind everyone of the guidelines for the Free-for-all forum, specifically:

1. Be nice to each other

Basic interpersonal decency must be observed within this forum. Feel free to attack the ideas of others, but never attack them personally, either directly or by inference. This need for interpersonal decency extends also to those who may have originally conceived the ideas being debated (e.g. the Buddha, commentators, bhikkhus, scholars).
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Women can be Buddha

Postby Tex » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:03 pm

"To reach beyond fear and danger we must sharpen and widen our vision. We have to pierce through the deceptions that lull us into a comfortable complacency, to take a straight look down into the depths of our existence, without turning away uneasily or running after distractions." -- Bhikkhu Bodhi

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." -- Heraclitus

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Re: Women can be Buddha

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Re: Women can be Buddha

Postby Element » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:35 am

A Buddha is one who is self-enlightened, when there is no Buddhism, and then starts the Buddhist religion.

It is impossible for a woman to be a Buddha but it is possible for a woman to be a fully enlightened arahant.

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Re: Women can be Buddha

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Re: Women can be Buddha

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:20 am

i just dont think you get it....

look, i will never be a Sammasambuddha, probably no one on this board will be either (sorry :embarassed: ) but thats really not the point of buddhism as taught in theravada, it's not really the big deal youre making it out to be.
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Women can be Buddha

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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: Women can be Buddha

Postby Will » Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:48 am

A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25


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