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by robertk
Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:20 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 44
Views: 10886

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

Who recited the Abhidhamma at the first council? Nobody... they must have forgot. In the Atthasalini by Buddhaghosa it says Unto the spirits taught., he afterwards, The Leader, told it all in form concise^ To Sariputta Elder, when he waited on The Sage at Anotatta lake.^ And what The Elder heard, h...
by robertk
Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 122
Views: 1483

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings, So you think that the Abhidhamma Pitaka was invented by Theravada Bhikkhus who slandered the Buddha (at least from the time of the 3rd Council around 250 BC). It seems Theravada is a rather nasty appellation. Truth is neither nasty or not nasty. The Mahayana pretend that their heretical ...
by robertk
Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 122
Views: 1483

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

By all means believe these fanciful attempts to stuff sectarian doctrine into the Buddha's mouth if you like, I won't stop you. However, do not be surprised when others believe the far more plausible and believable account that it was composed by Theravada bhikkhus. Metta, Paul. :) Given the Buddha...
by robertk
Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:38 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 122
Views: 1483

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings Robert, Abhidhamma was taught firstly in the Deva world to his mother and then the summary given to Sariputta who in taught it in full to his 500 students This fanciful story does not hold up to any degree of scrutiny. Not only does it sound ludicrous on face value, but the other early sc...
by robertk
Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 122
Views: 1483

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings, The following refutes the Theravada tradition's dramatic origin story for the Abhidhamma... I have set forth the Dhamma without making any distinction of esoteric and exoteric doctrine; there is nothing, Ananda, with regard to the teachings that the Tathagata holds to the last with the c...
by robertk
Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 122
Views: 1483

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Common Abhidhamma Argument #1 - Mentality and materiality are paramattha dhammas (i.e. ultimate dhammas) Sutta Reponse: Never in the Suttas are materiality referred to as "dhammas". Satipatthana sutta Majjhima Nikaya sutta 10 Dhammānupassanā khandhapabbaṃ 3. The Six Bases) 40. "Again, bhikkhus, a b...
by robertk
Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are Jataka stories a collection of old Indian stories?
Replies: 21
Views: 370

Re: Are Jataka stories a collection of old Indian stories?

Greetings Robert, Perhaps this sutta is a good example of the fruits of kamma: it still shows a strong relation with the kamma performed and the type of results . Or, perhaps not. In the Thera-Theri Gatha there is internal evidence that reveals the hand of the invisible compiler such as the presenc...
by robertk
Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up?
Replies: 13
Views: 246

Re: Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up?

Just wondering if all "early Buddhism" scholars agree with mrs Rhys Davids and Edmund? I too wonder why all "early Buddhism" scholars have to agree with the writings of the souler mrs Rhys Davids who said something like (not verbatim): "the Buddhist Monks don't even know the anatta that they are pr...
by robertk
Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up?
Replies: 13
Views: 246

Re: Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up?

Just wondering if all "early Buddhism" scholars agree with mrs Rhys Davids and Edmund?
by robertk
Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up?
Replies: 13
Views: 246

Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up?

https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=40432&p=626597#p626597 Edmund Jayasuriya wrote:In the Thera-Theri Gatha there is internal evidence that reveals the hand of the invisible compiler such as the presence of duplicate names in the text, ascription of identical stanzas to separate theras ...
by robertk
Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 122
Views: 1483

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Common Abhidhamma Argument #3 - Dhammas exist, independent of observation Sutta Reponse: This may be true of noumena such as mahabhuta, which are not phenomena (dhammas) but as it applies to dhammas, it is refuted by the Suttas, which state... SN 47.42 wrote: With the arising of attentiveness there...
by robertk
Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 122
Views: 1483

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Common Abhidhamma Argument #1 - Mentality and materiality are paramattha dhammas (i.e. ultimate dhammas) Sutta Reponse: Never in the Suttas are materiality referred to as "dhammas". Satipatthana sutta Majjhima Nikaya sutta 10 Dhammānupassanā khandhapabbaṃ 3. The Six Bases) 40. "Again, bhikkhus, a b...
by robertk
Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 122
Views: 1483

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Common Abhidhamma Argument #1 - Mentality and materiality are paramattha dhammas (i.e. ultimate dhammas) Sutta Reponse: Never in the Suttas are materiality referred to as "dhammas". Satipatthana sutta Majjhima Nikaya sutta 10 Dhammānupassanā khandhapabbaṃ 116. ‘‘Puna caparaṃ, bhikkhave, bhikkhu dha...
by robertk
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:20 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Did the Buddha use method of "analysis" ???
Replies: 17
Views: 185

Re: Did the Buddha use method of "analysis" ???

http://www.abhidhamma.org/lett1.html Nandakovada-sutta' (Middle Length Sayings, III, no. 146) that Nandaka, a bhikkhu, had to preach to the nuns. Then the Buddha asked him to repeat to them exactly the same sermon. Why? Their 'faculties' (indriyas 1) were developed and hearing the same sermon again ...
by robertk
Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?
Replies: 201
Views: 2040

Re: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?

Greetings, My question is what is the definition of Theravada. Please stay on the topic. :tongue: You're missing the point. The Suttas themselves tell us to disregard the Abhidhamma - the Simsapa Sutta, the Ani Sutta, the Mahaparinibbana Sutta, the Abhasita Sutta etc. all do. So if you "accept Abhi...