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by robertk
Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 256
Views: 3815

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

I am not Theravada if this forum considers "Theras ars those monks that cleverly concocted suttas like Mahasatipatthana sutta DN 22, and MN 111, and prevailed at a later buddhist council" These achieved the goal of misleading large numbers of good buddhists, for generations to come. With love :cand...
by robertk
Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Conditional Relations, DO, and Abhidhamma
Replies: 1
Views: 47

Conditional Relations, DO, and Abhidhamma

from another thread: Why does the abhidhamma have a different scheme of conditional relations?  other than the scheme in DO?[/list]BB footnote to Dhatusamyutta writes "Since according to the abhidhamma scheme of conditional relations, the mind element and its concomitant contact are mutually depende...
by robertk
Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.
Replies: 50
Views: 780

Re: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.

This again ignores what I've been saying about the Abhidhamma Pitaka itself not ascribing its own authorship to The Buddha.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Do you mean that while the monks called the Abhidhamma the 3rd basket of the Tipitaka they weren't suggesting it was part of the Buddha's teachings?
by robertk
Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.
Replies: 50
Views: 780

Re: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.

- My sense is that a lot of the schools who set about making their own Abhidhammas and commentaries did so because they wanted to be the ones to "own" the definitive interpretation of the Buddhavacana discourses, which they had all inherited. This is why only a sect that had prepared its own sectar...
by robertk
Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:08 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.
Replies: 50
Views: 780

Re: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.

Greetings Robert, At times Abhidhamma is classified as part of the Nikayas: The Expositor (Atthasalini). Buddhaghosa's Commentary On The Dhammasangani The First Book Of The Abhidhamma Pitaka. Translated by Pe Maung Tin. pp. 35-38, Thus as rehearsed at the[first] Council, the Abhidhamma is a Pitaka ...
by robertk
Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.
Replies: 50
Views: 780

Re: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.

here is some on Theravada from the Dipavamsa. It lists the great monks at the first council and explains why the name Theravada: Kassapa was the chief propounder of the Dhutanga pre- cepts according to the doctrine of the Jina; Ananda was the first of those learned (in the Suttas), wise Upali was ch...
by robertk
Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.
Replies: 50
Views: 780

Re: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.

From the Mahavamsa (older than the Commentaries )about how the various other schools arose: yaa mahaakassapaadiihi, mahaatherehi aadito kataa saddhamma sa.mgiiti, theriyaa'ti pavuccati eko'va theravaado so, aadivassasate ahu a~n~naacariyavaadaatu, tato ora.m ajaayisu.m That rehearsal of the Saddhamm...
by robertk
Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.
Replies: 50
Views: 780

Re: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.

Was abhidhamma recited in the 1st council & by whom ? In the Atthasalini by Buddhaghosa it says Unto the spirits taught., he afterwards, The Leader, told it all in form concise^ To Sariputta Elder, when he waited on The Sage at Anotatta lake.^ And what The Elder heard, he brought to plains of earth...
by robertk
Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.
Replies: 50
Views: 780

Re: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.

Was abhidhamma recited in the 1st council & by whom ? Opinions vary, but apparently it was not. " Then the venerable Kassapa the Great informed the Order, saying: 'Your reverences, let the Order listen to me. If it seems right to the Order I could question Upali on discipline.' Then the venerable U...
by robertk
Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the eye?
Replies: 47
Views: 467

Re: What is the eye?

visuddhimagga PATH OF PURIFICATION Part 3: Understanding (Paññá) Xiv 47. 1. There is what is called the “eye” in the world. That looks like a blue lotus petal and is surrounded by black eyelashes and varied with dark and light circles. The eye [sensitivity as meant] here is to be found in the place ...
by robertk
Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:08 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.
Replies: 50
Views: 780

Poll: Abhidhamma and Theravada.

This post hadn't being acted on so I have made this poll. "And no, a poll cannot be added at this stage, but feel free to recreate this topic (potentially worded differently based on this conversation to date?) with a poll and we'll close this one off with a link to the new one." https://www.dhammaw...
by robertk
Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:20 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 57
Views: 11192

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

Who recited the Abhidhamma at the first council? Nobody... they must have forgot. In the Atthasalini by Buddhaghosa it says Unto the spirits taught., he afterwards, The Leader, told it all in form concise^ To Sariputta Elder, when he waited on The Sage at Anotatta lake.^ And what The Elder heard, h...
by robertk
Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 256
Views: 3815

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings, So you think that the Abhidhamma Pitaka was invented by Theravada Bhikkhus who slandered the Buddha (at least from the time of the 3rd Council around 250 BC). It seems Theravada is a rather nasty appellation. Truth is neither nasty or not nasty. The Mahayana pretend that their heretical ...
by robertk
Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 256
Views: 3815

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

By all means believe these fanciful attempts to stuff sectarian doctrine into the Buddha's mouth if you like, I won't stop you. However, do not be surprised when others believe the far more plausible and believable account that it was composed by Theravada bhikkhus. Metta, Paul. :) Given the Buddha...
by robertk
Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:38 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 256
Views: 3815

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings Robert, Abhidhamma was taught firstly in the Deva world to his mother and then the summary given to Sariputta who in taught it in full to his 500 students This fanciful story does not hold up to any degree of scrutiny. Not only does it sound ludicrous on face value, but the other early sc...