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by robertk
Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries

Greetings, The man on the street would likely understand it as written, without Abhidhamma-izing it. Ditto with Buddhadasa's quote above. When people say things like "live for the moment", "taking the day moment by moment" or "it was a very special moment", they're not talking about some infinitesi...
by robertk
Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries

I suspect he meant this in the way a "man of the street" would understand and interpret it, rather than in the technical way an Abhidhammika would interpret it, but thanks for sharing nonetheless. Metta, Paul. :) I wonder if the man in the street understands the arising and vanishing mentioned in t...
by robertk
Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamupadda) His comments on the Commentaries

Greetings, Regarding approach #1 that you refer to, it may be relevant that the various suttas, abhidhammas, and commentaries of various schools appear to have had both multi-lifetime and single-mind-moment interpretations: https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=30940 That may be true of vario...
by robertk
Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Paṭiccasamuppāda and idappaccayatā, as presented in the Sutta Pitaka
Replies: 52
Views: 733

Re: The case that dependent origination in the Suttas refers to Rebirth is very strong.

a related discussion
Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries

is here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=39913
by robertk
Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries

Discussion about Paticcasamuppada and rebirth unrelated to Buddhadasa moved to here:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=39927
by robertk
Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries

from the Samyutta Nikaya - with the links of the Paticcasamuppada and over lives. https://suttacentral.net/sn12.19/en/bodhi From the Nidana Samyutta 12.19. The Wise Man and the Fool At Savatthī. “Bhikkhus, for the fool, hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving, this body has thereby originated....
by robertk
Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamupadda) His comments on the Commentaries

In the Vibhanga (book of the Abhidhamma) chapter on Paticcasamuppada. https://suttacentral.net/vb6/pli/ms Tattha katamo upapattibhavo?16.2Kāmabhavo, rūpabhavo, arūpabhavo, saññābhavo, asaññābhavo, nevasaññānāsaññābhavo, ekavokārabhavo, catuvokārabhavo, pañcavokārabhavo—16.3ayaṁ vuccati “upapattibhav...
by robertk
Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamupadda) His comments on the Commentaries

Greetings, Thanks Paul. Recently you clarified that indeed you accept that the Buddha did teach about the travails of samsara True, yes. However, I also feel that the three lifetime model does a major disservice to paticcasamuppada, and in doing so, a major disservice to anyone who wants to underst...
by robertk
Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamupadda) His comments on the Commentaries

Greetings, I think it has many useful points and I certainly appreciate any book on this most profound teaching of Paticcasamuppada. However, I remain convinced that the Buddha taught rebirth and that it is indeed a necessary corrollary of anatta and conditionality. I'd just like to share the persp...
by robertk
Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:06 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamupadda) His comments on the Commentaries

Buddhaghosa appears to have said: 1. There is jati that is merely manifestation of aggregates. 2. There is jati without the view of a lasting being. 3. There is a "rebirth" of mere aggregates, elements, etc. [..] While the above certainly does not introduce "self" into Dependent Origination , it ce...
by robertk
Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamupadda) His comments on the Commentaries

It appears Buddhaghosa's idea of twelve-fold voidness being reborn was an example of "nihilism"; which negated personal responsibility for "rebirth". Many people have asked the question: "if no self is reborn, where is the incentive to do good karma?" :shrug: 4. It follows Buddhaghosa may have not ...
by robertk
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Abhidhamma & the Commentaries indistinguishable from Hinduism?
Replies: 4
Views: 115

Re: Abhidhamma & the Commentaries indistinguishable from Hinduism?

Buddhism's distinctiveness also diminished with the rise of Hindu sects. Though Mahayana writers were quite critical of Hinduism, the devotional cults of Mahayana Buddhism and Hinduism likely seemed quite similar to laity, and the developing Tantrism of both religions were also similar. (Harvey 201...
by robertk
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Re: Buddhadasa (paticcasamupadda) His comments on the Commentaries

In this post I look at some more points raised by Venerable Buddhadasa about Buddhaghosa and the ancient commentaries. On page 61 , paragraph 268 (chapter heading 'Buddhaghosa' about the 9th paragraph): " therefore his explanation took on the appearance of spanning three births because of the rebirt...
by robertk
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:31 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Abhidhamma & the Commentaries indistinguishable from Hinduism?
Replies: 4
Views: 115

Re: Abhidhamma & the Commentaries indistinguishable from Hinduism?

Buddhadasa page 47 Note ### : It appears this paragraph appears not accurate because the above ideas appear found in primitive form in Abhidhamma Actually I did a close study of this book by the Ven. Buddhadasa about 20 years back and wrote a couple of letters. But as this thread might include dive...
by robertk
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries
Replies: 64
Views: 1291

Buddhadasa (paticcasamuppada) His comments on the Commentaries

I picked up a copy of Paticcasamuppada - Practical Dependent Origination by Ven. Buddhadasa Bhikkhu (of Thailand)after some prior discussions about it. https://www.buddhismwithoutboundaries.com/BuddhadasaBhikkhu-PaticcasamuppadaDependentOrigination.pdf In these discussions it was suggested that the ...