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by Coëmgenu
Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:58 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

I found a list of the 4 alls in Mike's old study threads, but what these four are is so ambiguous: Here's some notes from Bhikkhu Bodhi and the Commentary (Spk) that Thanissaro Bhikhu comments on in the first post. Which does indeed seem rather convoluted. "Bhikkhus, I will teach you the all." Spk: ...
by Coëmgenu
Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

I don't even know which commentarial book I would have to start looking for. Sāratthappakāsinī?
by Coëmgenu
Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

The Sabba Sutta lists sense bases and their objects. No where in this does it state or even imply that they are all conditioned. Here is Ven Bodhi's notes on the Sabbasutta: The Commentary's treatment of this discourse is very peculiar. To begin with, it delineates three other "All's" in addition t...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

It is. It is also related to "salutations" as an expression of will for good heath.
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:49 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

“The Early Upanishads: Annotated Text and Translation” 4.9-10 the Whole: the exact sense of the term sarva, here translated as "the Whole," has been much debated. Apparently it is a PIE cognate with the Latin sollus. Makes sense. The "health" connotation is the strangest one. I'm wondering if it's ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

Goku improves all threads.
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

Clearly the mind's state and its contents are continually changing - I'm not suggesting otherwise. I'm suggesting that the bit (aspect?) of the mind which observes need to be stable and unchanging. Well, the reason why I pointed out "the mind's state and contents are continually changing" is becaus...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

I think you could say that the observer is unchanging, or unmoving. How could something which is continually changing reliably observe change? How could something which is continually moving reliably observe movement? The observer need to be stable. Or, if you prefer, the activity of observation ne...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

I don't particularly care if it isn't in Pali suttas, but you are free to point out that this is a term coined by Buddhists and not a term that the Buddha uses in the Pali Canon. Then sorry to say, but I will never be able to take what you say as anything serious. That's more than fine. The feeling...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:07 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

... Could you give to the poor human* I am, a Pali translation (and also references from suttas/sutras) for what you call: "mindstream". Cittasaṃtati. You can find it in the Kathāvatthuprakaraṇāṭṭhakathā, p. 132 here: https://books.google.ca/books?id=ss0BAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=cittasamtati&...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:09 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

I think this bit is "inside" the mind. The next question is "What exactly is this bit, or this function?". And who or what is making the choice to use this bit of the mind, or to do this observing activity? A sentient being, a designated conventionality, a provisional name we give to five aggregate...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:37 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

Do you think this "bit" is what coffeendonuts has been talking about? You surely don't think this "bit" of the mind is outside the mind and not characterized by the mind though.
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

I was interested in learning more about the observer that is outside the mind and how he supposedly observes it without one, but supposedly it's "the limits of language." The last comment convinced me that the poster is coming from a haughty mindset concerning the objective correctness of their view...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

Please stop trolling. That's enough. I won't be responding anymore if this becomes a litany of "You're not paying attention to what you are saying" or "Be honest with yourself" or "Just pay attention, you're seeing !" or any other boring passive aggressions. I was interested while you were imputing ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 464
Views: 5331

Re: Unconditioned

I certainly don't know what you're saying now. I can't imagine how you would have divined that out of my question.