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by Coëmgenu
Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A touchstone for Classical Theravadins
Replies: 22
Views: 397

Re: A touchstone for Classical Theravadins

When experience is reduced there is citta and sañña. Can it actually be reduced so? Is this a valid reduction? For instance, can we say that sañña is an irreducible aspect of experience if we cannot actually reduce experience to "sañña" and "citta" components that are separate and discrete? A deepl...
by Coëmgenu
Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A touchstone for Classical Theravadins
Replies: 22
Views: 397

Re: A touchstone for Classical Theravadins

Well, I suppose therein lies the controverted point: is experience/cognition itself, sañña, "irreducible" like an atom? Theravāda in claiming that finds itself closer to the Yogācārins than to the Madhyamakas, but obviously it is not fair to draw any more equivalence than that.
by Coëmgenu
Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A touchstone for Classical Theravadins
Replies: 22
Views: 397

Re: A touchstone for Classical Theravadins

The skandhas, though devoid of a self, are ultimately real in Theravāda, as far as I understand. If the OP can square Theravāda and the Prajñāpāramitā cited by Ven Nagarjuna based on the fact that things are "like X" and are not "X" in the MMK, then fair enough. Ultimately Real in Theravada means w...
by Coëmgenu
Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???
Replies: 20
Views: 203

Re: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???

Chanting alone obviously isn't what makes you a "real Buddha follower," even if what is being chanted is the super secret password that you got off your Buddha decoder ring. Neither chanting the refuge to the triple gem nor chanting the evening or morning monastic services will "make you a real Budd...
by Coëmgenu
Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A touchstone for Classical Theravadins
Replies: 22
Views: 397

Re: A touchstone for Classical Theravadins

When Venerable Nagarjuna says that the marks of arising, abiding, and ceasing are "like a dream, an illusion, a city of gandharvas," he actually means what he says. I can't comment on the Sanskrit or Tibetan, but here they are: [7.34]/rmi lam ji bzhin sgyu ma bzhin/ /dri za'i grong khyer ji bzhin du...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:24 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Any real life examples these days of Tetralemma (Catuskoti) fourfold negation? What would be the fifth ('true') corner?
Replies: 13
Views: 247

Re: Any real life examples these days of Tetralemma (Catuskoti) fourfold negation? What would be the fifth ('true') corn

Beings stuck on the polarity of "is" and "is not" actually entertain their own hidden theories of eternity and annihilation. These, referring to views concerning the existence of existence and nonexistence, are refined metaphysical versions of eternalism and annihilationism. I still don’t understan...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:15 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Any real life examples these days of Tetralemma (Catuskoti) fourfold negation? What would be the fifth ('true') corner?
Replies: 13
Views: 247

Re: Any real life examples these days of Tetralemma (Catuskoti) fourfold negation? What would be the fifth ('true') corn

I would very much like to know the every day examples of four fold negation, four fold affirmation, and any combinations (of trues & falses regarding four corners) in between. [...] ... if such things ever exist. R is red, B is blue, and P is purple. The letters below represent a line segment with ...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:29 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Any real life examples these days of Tetralemma (Catuskoti) fourfold negation? What would be the fifth ('true') corner?
Replies: 13
Views: 247

Re: Any real life examples these days of Tetralemma (Catuskoti) fourfold negation? What would be the fifth ('true') corn

Each one of the "four theses" is a "heretical" ponderance on an imponderable. Each one tries to answer as to whether Nirvana exists or not, or whether the Tathagata still exists or not after the cessation of his jīvitindriya, or the origin of the world and sentient beings, etc. Thesis 1 suggests tha...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:02 am
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Kathāvatthu: An exploration of the text and its meaning
Replies: 54
Views: 575

Re: Kathāvatthu: Satipaṭṭhānakathā ???

A key to figuring out what exactly the Āndhaka is saying will be figuring out why the Theravādin believes that "sabbe dhammā satipaṭṭhānā" necessitates "phassapaṭṭhānā." I think the previous hypothesis was correct. If "all dhammas" are the valid object of satipaṭṭhāna according to the Āndhaka, then...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:31 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Any real life examples these days of Tetralemma (Catuskoti) fourfold negation? What would be the fifth ('true') corner?
Replies: 13
Views: 247

Re: Any real life examples these days of Tetralemma (Catuskoti) fourfold negation? What would be the fifth ('true') corn

There is no corner, literally. It's an unsolvable tetralemma. There is no valid "solution" to it. Any "fifth thesis" designed to "solve" it is ruled out by the four theses themselves. A real example would be how, in real life, you can't have any sort of valid state or postulated entity that is not A...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:43 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???
Replies: 19
Views: 449

Re: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???

To give an idea of what it is like to use the wrong declension, we can use English pseudo-declensions. We say: I go to the store . "To the" is an English pseudo-dative. Imagine if someone said: I go of the store. That is the sentence with a genitive. We understand what it means, but it is not gramma...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:32 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???
Replies: 19
Views: 449

Re: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???

The pericope "samudayañca atthaṅgamañca desessāmi" is preceded by a genitive, not a dative. Because the plural forms of the genitive and dative are identical, one needs to look for "samudayaṁ" etc. corresponding to something in the singular. dukkhassa samudayañca atthaṅgamañca desessāmi This constru...
by Coëmgenu
Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:27 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???
Replies: 19
Views: 449

Re: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???

Reading satipaṭṭhānānaṁ as in the dative is a horrendous grammatical distortion that destroys the meaning of the Pāli sentence.
by Coëmgenu
Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:44 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Term: Gaṇhāti
Replies: 11
Views: 2042

Re: Pali Term: Gaṇhāti

The problem with "prehend" is that English speakers won't know what it means and will look it up and take the first dictionary entry they see for it. In this case, they might look at Merriam-Webster and see 1) to seize 2) to apprehend. Using prehend forces you to explain either by a note or footnote...
by Coëmgenu
Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:07 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Yatvādhikaraṇamenaṃ (yatvādhikaraṇametaṃ)
Replies: 11
Views: 1720

Re: Yatvādhikaraṇamenaṃ (yatvādhikaraṇametaṃ)

"Prehend" is a very obscure word, I will say. Most people have absolutely no native intuition of what it means. Why this specifically? It is because of that?