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by Coëmgenu
Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Cessation of Feeling and Perception
Replies: 78
Views: 940

Re: Cessation of Feeling and Perception

Regarding the two types of Nibbāna [...] The past participle forms, nibbuta and parinibbuta, are from a different verbal root than the nouns nibbāna and parinibbāna. The former is from nir + vṛ, the latter from nir + vā. The noun appropriate to the participles is nibbuti, which occasionally occurs ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Cessation of Feeling and Perception
Replies: 78
Views: 940

Re: Cessation of Feeling and Perception

I’m personally no longer interested in arguing this point. I have nothing to prove, and no one to prove it to. And if life has taught me anything, it is that people will cling to their own views very tightly (my self included). I don’t see the dhamma as a kind of mathematics that needs logic and pr...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Cessation of Feeling and Perception
Replies: 78
Views: 940

Re: Cessation of Feeling and Perception

So I think I figured out what you are on about, Pondera, but it was rather difficult and you certainly didn't make it easy with the way you presented your interpretation as self-evident. I kept thinking, "Why the naraku would he think this is saññavedayitanirodha?" and looking up various stances on ...
by Coëmgenu
Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:56 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Vamachara / Left Hand Path and the Occult
Replies: 7
Views: 132

Re: Vamachara / Left Hand Path and the Occult

Whats your view on the so called Left Hand Practices such as psychedelic / deliriant drug use and stuff like astral projection, kasina meditation , witchcraft, chakras, zen koans, the occult and acquisition of Siddhi . Do you think such practices can be helpful in gaining insight or create better c...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:51 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 245
Views: 5465

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

This is a difficult question, because why people might be drawn to what others see as muck and why some persons might see non-muck as muck (as well as vice-versa) is too broad a field of inquiry. I'm very busy over the weekend. I might get to this thread again next week.
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Cessation of Feeling and Perception
Replies: 78
Views: 940

Re: Cessation of Feeling and Perception

Sweet Buddha preserve us. That's not about saññāvedayitanirodha. Nothing in it says it's about saññavedayitanirodha. There is no reason for you to believe it is about saññavedayitanirodha. The only reason you think that is because you think that it lines up with some experience that you had. Once ag...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:16 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 245
Views: 5465

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

Consider, when someone is baffled by something complex and unclear, particularly when that complex unclear thing is nonsensical instead of sensical, they aren't actually convinced by the complexity. What people do, I'd wager, is select some simple sentiment(s) that they can understand from within th...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:08 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 245
Views: 5465

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

Clear, like simple and complex and unclear, is in the eye of the beholder, more accurately the mind of the beholder. That being said, I never claimed that complex and/or unclear thought was necessarily correct. This is something you have introduced into the conversation. The saying "bullshit baffles...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:52 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 245
Views: 5465

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

I've no problem doing that. Simple things seem "clear" if they're well-said. As for the rest of your response, I don't agree. I don't think simple things, or things that "seem clear," are necessarily clear at all. I don't think they necessarily lead to calm of any sort, but they can certainly give t...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:35 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 245
Views: 5465

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

It's like the fluency heuristic. Simple = True. The mind grasps it and holds onto it easily if it's simple. It gives us a sense of calm to "know things," particularly "how things go down." Simple is easy to get into your head. Simple is calming, or at least it seems calming to "know what's going on....
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Cessation of Feeling and Perception
Replies: 78
Views: 940

Re: Cessation of Feeling and Perception

AN 11.7 is describing the saint in yogic equipoise, cognizing Nibbāna, just like AN 10.7. As Ven Sāriputta says, "bhavanirodho nibbānaṃ." But what you think the sutta is talking about is fundamentally flawed. The sutta you've cited has not been "without fail" because it is not talking about saññāve...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Cessation of Feeling and Perception
Replies: 78
Views: 940

Re: Cessation of Feeling and Perception

Your descriptions of your attainments are contrary to the Buddhadharma and I've no reason to believe in them. :goodpost: :computerproblem: bad post. Unfounded. Presumptuous. Made without any proof. You still don't understand and think I've offered no proof. :shrug: Just so you know, I consider this...
by Coëmgenu
Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dhammapala (Dhamma protector-deity) in Theravada traditions
Replies: 21
Views: 362

Re: Dhammapala (Dhamma protector-deity) in Theravada traditions

I've heard that Nātha (the artist formerly known as Avalokiteśvara) is worshipped as a dharmapāla-type-thing in Sri Lanka. I'm not sure if he's considered a dharma-protector or a guardian deity of Sri Lanka itself, because I've heard both claimed.
by Coëmgenu
Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Nibbana unnatural? unnatural?
Replies: 36
Views: 514

Re: Is Nibbana unnatural? unnatural?

So, the Dào? The action of non-action?

I'm only slightly joking. It's a serious question mostly. What you are framing as "the natural" is more like the Dào than the Buddhadhamma, to me at least.
by Coëmgenu
Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:04 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
Replies: 134
Views: 7028

Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?

... I don't know why they didn't get Theravadins bhikkhus. That would have put at least a veneer of due process behind the matter. Perhaps the Theravadins thought it beyond the pale to assist a non-Theravadin sect, but I have a sinking feeling that the Ritsu Venerable in question didn't consider it...