Search found 14215 matches

by mikenz66
Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 182
Views: 2314

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings Mike, OK, so when the suttas say "earth" they mean dirt? When they say "water", they mean the stuff in the ocean? When they say "fire", they mean this? They mean what they meant in the prevailing venacular of the mahabhuta schema. As I said to Ceisiwr earlier, the mahabhuta predates the B...
by mikenz66
Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:20 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 182
Views: 2314

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings Mike, However, I don't see where the mahadhatu are defined in the suttas, so I wonder how we can actually know what is meant without looking at contemporaryish records (such as the commentaries). Perhaps you could explain your reasoning. My reasoning is that: - When someone means earth th...
by mikenz66
Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:16 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 182
Views: 2314

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

This raises and interesting point: This is yet another example of a doctrinal conclusion shaping the translation. The Pali of the Suttas, when unmolested in such a manner speak instead of earth, air, fire and water elements. This extension, heat, motion etc. business is the way by which the mahadhat...
by mikenz66
Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 182
Views: 2314

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

I was reading the abhidhamma yesterday, constructing the content for posting, but appolgy, being a bit slow. It seems more interesting to read the text when there is challenging quest. But still take up hell lot of time. Every time I re-read my content, always try to add in. :) Thanks for the extre...
by mikenz66
Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:31 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What is the meaning of "dhamma" in SN 47.42 ???
Replies: 9
Views: 177

Re: What is the meaning of "dhamma" in SN 47.42 ???

Are Bhikku Bodhi's footnotes helpful? “Bhikkhus, I will teach you the origination and the passing away of the four establishments of mindfulness. Footnote: Here satipaṭṭhāna obviously refers to the four objects of mindfulness. ... “With the origination of attention there is the origination of phenom...
by mikenz66
Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:20 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 182
Views: 2314

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

So you think that the Abhidhamma Pitaka was invented by Theravada Bhikkhus who slandered the Buddha (at least from the time of the 3rd Council around 250 BC). It seems Theravada is a rather nasty appellation. Those naughty Theravadins! :tongue: Personally, I tend to think that the Theravada account...
by mikenz66
Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:11 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two aspects of rupa?
Replies: 28
Views: 326

Re: Two aspects of rupa?

I think the final section of MN1 lends weight to the idea that the OP distinction is really between elements and appropriated elements, "The Tathagata.. directly knows earth as earth... he does not conceive earth to be 'mine'..." https://suttacentral.net/mn1/en/bodhi So the OP distinction between t...
by mikenz66
Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:00 am
Forum: Study Group
Topic: 📍A Teacher Named Araka, AN 7.74 (Week of June 13, 2021)
Replies: 14
Views: 217

Re: 📍A Teacher Named Araka, AN 7.74 (Week of June 13, 2021)

Thanks for the nice sutta! Thoughts? Opinions on the similes? The first three are quoted often, the others less so... We often hear that it is extraordinarily difficult to recognize suffering during a long, heavenly life, and 60,000 years as a human - having only to contend with the afflictions of c...
by mikenz66
Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?
Replies: 202
Views: 2244

Re: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?

I used to be you. Reading this sentence, I can't help thinking of this, and related suttas... “Mendicants, transmigration has no known beginning. No first point is found of sentient beings roaming and transmigrating, hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving. When you see someone in a sorry sta...
by mikenz66
Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up?
Replies: 13
Views: 264

Re: Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up?

I do not think the unique manner in which the sayings cleanly describe themes found throughout the other four nikayas is something that could be produced from the conceivings of just any clever writer(s). ... I found the Sutta Study discussion on the Therigatha verses, and the Therigatha Festival v...
by mikenz66
Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 182
Views: 2314

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

As for myself, I am yet to encounter anyone who in any way meaningfully uses or follows the Abhidhamma Pitaka, but not the Commentaries. If such Buddhists do exist, then they may by all means present themselves and explain how the criticisms in the opening post do not apply. On the other hand, they...
by mikenz66
Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 182
Views: 2314

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Hi Paul, When you say "Abhidhamma" you appear to mean "Abhidhamma + Commentaries". It would be helpful to keep in mind that these are not the same thing. Here are some small examples: Also, do you know where the four paramattha dhammas are mentioned in the Abhidhamma Pitaka? They are not mentioned b...