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by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Without discoverable beginning
Replies: 21
Views: 287

Re: Without discoverable beginning

If Samsara has a beginning, it would postulate a first cause The suttas appear to say ignorance is the 1st cause: Bhikkhus, this is said: ‘A first point of ignorance, bhikkhus, is not seen such that before this there was no ignorance and afterward it came into being https://suttacentral.net/an10.61...
by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:51 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?
Replies: 131
Views: 6850

Re: Can we accept secular Buddhism as Buddhism?

Mount Sumeru is Indian medieval mythology, it's not part of the Buddha's original teachings. This is shown by the fact that the myth exists in both Hindu and Jain teachings. So Mount Sumeru is Indian medieval mythology but not devas with lifespan of many eons? :shrug: :roll: Recall that the Pali Ca...
by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:42 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Nibbana unnatural? unnatural?
Replies: 30
Views: 362

Re: Is Nibbana unnatural? unnatural?

Nibbana is an uncreated element and so fully part of 'nature'. It is simply the unconditioned element, as opposed to the conditional elements we are used to as part of Samsara. MN 1 appears to say a fool can cling to the nibbana element. Therefore, it appears if a fool clings to the nibbana element...
by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:33 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Classical Theravada, the Realist Buddhism
Replies: 55
Views: 1089

Re: Classical Theravada, the Realist Buddhism

I'm not proficient ... :goodpost: from the Gil Fronsdal commentary he states that the Pail canon is unique in using the expression 'all phenomena/dhammas are made by mind'. The above is obviously wrong. For example, SN 22.82 says the physical body is caused by the four physical elements (cattāro kh...
by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:09 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: Awareness vs Mindfulness?
Replies: 11
Views: 460

Re: Awareness vs Mindfulness?

Sati-sampajjana means 'mindfulness and clear conprehension'. It is consistent with secular and popular mindfulness the term itself doesn't have to involve Buddhist wisdom teachings. No. Sampajjana involve Buddhist wisdom teachings. When SN 47.35 briefly defines 'sampajana', it uses the word "vidita...
by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:35 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: Awareness vs Mindfulness?
Replies: 11
Views: 460

Re: Awareness vs Mindfulness?

Mindfulness as it has become popularized is sati- sampajanna. "Sati-sampajanna" means "keeping-in-mind situational-wisdom". Popularized mindfulness does not include a Buddhist wisdom factor. Some of the overly pedantic Buddhist scholarship which tries to equate mindfulness solely with 'sati' is som...
by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:24 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Dhammapada: Kill mother & father
Replies: 1
Views: 62

Dhammapada: Kill mother & father

Dear DW forum The Dhammapada and I assume its later Commentary say: Verse 294. The Destroyer Who Reaches Nibbana One’s mother and father having slain and then two warrior kings, a realm as well its treasurer, one goes immune, a Brahmin True. Explanation: The brahmin kills the mother - craving, kills...
by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:59 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???
Replies: 8
Views: 103

Re: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???

Coëmgenu wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:54 am Fine, the mind of the being.
No. I said the suttas refer to the being-delusion of the mind rather than the mind of a being.

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by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:51 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???
Replies: 8
Views: 103

Re: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???

Coëmgenu wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:41 am What wanders? Beings.
In the suttas, "a being" is merely a "view" (SN 23.2; SN 5.10). What wanders is the mind.
by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:30 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???
Replies: 8
Views: 103

Re: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???

The list of genitives in Pāli should correspond to something like "of X's, of Y's, of Z's," etc. Actually, i think its straightforward, namely, all the genitives, except "beings", are adjectives. So the Pali says: No first point is found of roaming (adjective) transmigrating (adjective) hindered by...
by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:10 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are pranks unwholesome for lay people?
Replies: 3
Views: 53

Re: Are pranks unwholesome for lay people?

The prank in the video appears to be a dangerous prank because old people could have a heart attack or similar.
by DooDoot
Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:04 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???
Replies: 8
Views: 103

Re: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???

The list of genitives in Pāli should correspond to something like "of X's, of Y's, of Z's," etc. That is what I posted, namely: * No sentient being s' first point is found * No roamings' and transmigrating s' first point is found * No hindered by ignorance s' and fettered by cravings ' first point ...
by DooDoot
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:48 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: paṭiccasamuppāda
Replies: 3
Views: 86

Re: paṭiccasamuppāda

paṭicca (dependent) sam (co/together) uppāda (arising/origination) :mrgreen:
by DooDoot
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:33 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???
Replies: 8
Views: 103

Re: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???

i think i worked it out. The genitives might be in relation to: "No first point is found" So the text may say: * No first point is found of sentient beings * No first point is found of roaming and transmigrating * No first point is found of hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving Is this corre...
by DooDoot
Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:34 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???
Replies: 8
Views: 103

Translating SN 15.1, SN 22.99, etc ???

Dear Pali gurus I am struggling with what appear to be genitives (or datives) in SN 22.99, which, per Ven. Sujato's translation, says: “Mendicants, transmigration has no known beginning. “Anamataggoyaṁ, bhikkhave, saṁsāro. No first point is found of sentient beings roaming and transmigrating , hinde...