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by DooDoot
Sat May 08, 2021 9:50 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: How is it possible to attain arahantship without jhana?
Replies: 8
Views: 89

Re: How is it possible to attain arahantship without jhana?

pitithefool wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 9:47 pm How is the jhana misconstrued?
Here & here
by DooDoot
Sat May 08, 2021 9:43 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: How is it possible to attain arahantship without jhana?
Replies: 8
Views: 89

Re: How is it possible to attain arahantship without jhana?

Its not possible to attain arahantship without jhana. Its even worse when jhana is misconstrued. Those who underestimate what jhana is will obviously underestimate what arahant is. Soon there will be Arahant-Lite, similar to Daniel Ingram. :smile:
by DooDoot
Sat May 08, 2021 9:33 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Jhānā
Replies: 10
Views: 239

Re: Jhānā

Don't be ignorant, DooDoot. "Trance" is used as a translation for jhāna by scores of Buddhists who are not Hindu. Educate yourself before posting these absurd claims. I am not ignorant. Jhanas are not "trances". To regard "jhana" as a "trance" is absurd. 63.... a fool who thinks himself wise is a f...
by DooDoot
Sat May 08, 2021 11:04 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Rapture in 7 factors of enlightenment
Replies: 7
Views: 142

Re: Rapture in 7 factors of enlightenment

piti (rapture) in 7sb awakening factors is the same as piti in the 4 jhanas. no Piti is like an emotional thrill. For example, say you hear a joke. Someone might get a deep belly laugh, repeatedly focus on the mental thrill of it and continue to deep laugh. someone might just laugh lightly and then...
by DooDoot
Sat May 08, 2021 10:27 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Jhānā
Replies: 10
Views: 239

Re: Jhānā

"trances" Jhanas are not trances. Its best to avoid unnecessary, particularly Hindu, interpretations on the Pali forum. Try to stay on topic. My guess is the second nonstandard plural is an archaic Prakritism encountered in verse mostly. This is challenged by the appearance of the maybe-not-irregul...
by DooDoot
Sat May 08, 2021 10:00 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: The meaning of "vedaniyaṁ" ????
Replies: 5
Views: 94

Re: The meaning of "vedaniyaṁ" ????

Sam Vara wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 8:08 am I think it does apply to the whole sentence; the body is to be seen as abhisaṅkhataṁ abhisañcetayitaṁ , as well as something to be felt. That's what makes most sense in this case.
Thank you SV. :bow:
by DooDoot
Sat May 08, 2021 9:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 169
Views: 1671

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

Ratnakar wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 1:54 am So one does observing a&p of 5 aggregates in access, doesn't one?
Certainly & very clearly. However, this remains not sufficient to uproot the underlying tendencies to defilement. Regards
by DooDoot
Fri May 07, 2021 7:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 169
Views: 1671

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

So where does one do vippassana in access or in jhana ? Both and after. However, the vipassana in jhana will be limited to the jhana itself. In other words, it won't be vipassana into the breathing, or vipassana of dependent origination, or vipassana of each of the five aggregates rising & falling,...
by DooDoot
Fri May 07, 2021 8:02 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: The meaning of "vedaniyaṁ" ????
Replies: 5
Views: 94

Re: The meaning of "vedaniyaṁ" ????

Thank you Samvara. Possibly we have discussed this matter before.

Why does the datthabam only apply to only the vedaniyam rather than to the whole sentence?

I have read translations where the “should be” applies to the entire sentence.

Thanks
by DooDoot
Fri May 07, 2021 7:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Rapture in 7 factors of enlightenment
Replies: 7
Views: 142

Re: Rapture in 7 factors of enlightenment

Rapture can be underlying, which maintains the enjoyment of meditation, and rapture can also be the dominant meditation object, such in the 5th stage of anapanasati or in 1st and 2nd jhana. The rapture will fade away with the 6th stage of anapanasati however an underlying rapture will be there until...
by DooDoot
Fri May 07, 2021 7:42 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 169
Views: 1671

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

So you argued that it's not jhana but access that buddha was talking about, didn't you? Do you think that access alone is enough to attain enlightenment ? I recall referring to stream-entry and once-returner, which are levels of enlightenment based on access concentration. But they are not full enl...
by DooDoot
Fri May 07, 2021 5:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What Ven.Ajahn Chah meant by "The Timeless Buddha"
Replies: 26
Views: 391

Re: What Ven.Ajahn Chah meant by "The Timeless Buddha"

As I understand the Teaching explained by the Blessed One, a monk with no more effluents, on the break-up of the body, is annihilated, perishes, & does not exist after death." If the physical body is there in the reality, if all are not a projection on the mind, what's wrong in above statement? Wha...
by DooDoot
Fri May 07, 2021 4:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 169
Views: 1671

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

These are basic words that you should really know No. Not at all. The Buddha never used it. There were no "periscopes" when the Buddha was alive. As for your recent postings on this forum, they appear to lack Theravada content. Theravada instructs its followers to control the mind. :focus: and what...
by DooDoot
Fri May 07, 2021 4:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Rapture in 7 factors of enlightenment
Replies: 7
Views: 142

Re: Rapture in 7 factors of enlightenment

It is rapture arising from seeing the truth in dhammavicaya (2nd factor). It is not the rapture of jhana (6th factor). While a higher level, due to the direct seeing of dhammavicaya, it is similar to the rapture below: Faith is a vital condition for joy. saddhūpanisaṁ pāmojjaṁ, Joy is a vital condit...
by DooDoot
Fri May 07, 2021 4:41 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: The meaning of "vedaniyaṁ" ????
Replies: 5
Views: 94

Re: The meaning of "vedaniyaṁ" ????

Also, in SN 12.37 & SN 35.145, the associated terms abhisaṅkhataṁ & abhisañcetayitaṁ appear to be accusative past participles. What about vedaniyaṁ? Vedaniyaṁ appears to be accusative but not necessarily a past participle. Is this so?

Thank you :thanks: