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by DooDoot
Thu May 06, 2021 5:05 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right livelihood in entertainment question
Replies: 12
Views: 128

Re: Right livelihood in entertainment question

We must be very careful in judging people based on their job. the suttas refer to wrong livelihood in many places The West makes too much ado about sex, especially if no cheating or violence is going on (then it's even much more serious). Do not judge porn stars. The above is called the " equanimit...
by DooDoot
Thu May 06, 2021 4:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 66
Views: 558

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

That's what I'm not so sure about. doesn't matter what u say; its not jhana. The dye is already cast i've offered an alternative explanation in which what differentiates vitakka-vicara as "skillful thoughts" from vitakka-vicara as a jhana factor is the presence of strong piti-sukha. its not an "alt...
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 11:51 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right livelihood in entertainment question
Replies: 12
Views: 128

Re: Right livelihood in entertainment question

That's another categorical statement the Buddha never made. There many people in the Buddha's orbits who had jobs involving wrong livelihood (including prostitutes and courtesans) who changed their ways and reached noble attainments. When a prostitute became a bhikkhuni, she ceased to be a prostitu...
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 11:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 66
Views: 558

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

pitithefool wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 10:22 pm You haven't provided sufficient evidence to prove that vitakka-vicara as a jhana factor must not be discursive thought.
But MN 19 is sufficient evidence.
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 10:15 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: difference between fading away, cessation and letting go in mn 118
Replies: 12
Views: 538

Re: difference between fading away, cessation and letting go in mn 118

Thanks , but is there any diference between "upadhi" and "upādāna" or the are synonyms? upadhi (upa + dhā) are possessions upadana (upa + ā + dā) is attachment it appears attachment to a thing will make that thing an upadhi possibly you can ask this question on the Pali subforum for expert explanat...
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 10:07 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 66
Views: 558

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

So you've proven my point that vitakka-vicara is not the same as speech. You didn't make any point. I maintain that the only difference between vitakka-vicara as thought and as a jhana factor is the presence of the other jhana factors as well as the content of the thinking. You are free to maintain...
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 10:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 66
Views: 558

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

Wot MN44? MN 44 & SN 41.6 say the vacisankharo (verbal fabricat or ; lit: condition for speech) is the cause of speech (vaci). Jhana is not about speech. Your objection to my post is both non-sequitur & irrelevant. It was already explained vitakka & vicara not ordinary thought. This has been explai...
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 9:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 66
Views: 558

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

pitithefool wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 9:52 pm If it's the case that vitakka-vicara is non-verbal, then why is called a verbal fabrication?
Its not called verbal fabrication in jhana context. The above question is non-sequitur.
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 9:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 66
Views: 558

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

Furthermore, MN19 does not in fact provide conclusive evidence that vitakka-vicara is non-verbal as a jhana factor, because of the following interpretation: :roll: 1. The thinking imbued with renunciation, etc. is a jhana factor if and only if it's accompanied by rapture and pleasure born of seclus...
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 9:16 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right livelihood in entertainment question
Replies: 12
Views: 128

Re: Right livelihood in entertainment question

Surely porn actors are destined to hell I am pleased to read you realise they are only "actors" or "acting" (rather than engaged in realistic sustainable sexual behaviours). I recall once watching a short news video years ago on a news site about a pornography convention. A small tribal man eagerly...
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 9:08 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: difference between fading away, cessation and letting go in mn 118
Replies: 12
Views: 538

Re: difference between fading away, cessation and letting go in mn 118

what is the difference between "patinissagga" mentioned in ānāpānasati and "sabbūpadhipatinisagga"? patinissagga is used in different contexts in the suttas but sabbūpadhipatinisagga found in the definition of Nibbana (eg in MN 26) would be the same as patinissagga found in MN 118. Could you define...
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 9:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 66
Views: 558

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

So if you have mindfulness of breathing with vitakka-vicara (again defined as thoughts, verbal fabrications), it's not a jhana? vitakka-vicara in the 1st jhana do not refer to ordinary thoughts. MN 19 should make this clear: And as I remained thus heedful, ardent, & resolute, thinking imbued with r...
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 9:28 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: what is ariya jhana?
Replies: 7
Views: 142

Re: what is ariya jhana?

This passage, however, seems to equate the ariya jhana with the first jhana. each is described in the same way, where the meditator knows The Deathless while in each jhana. Vissudhimagga, on the other hand, describes ariya jhana as a separate meditation. Thank you. I personally have no interest in ...
by DooDoot
Wed May 05, 2021 8:09 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: what is ariya jhana?
Replies: 7
Views: 142

Re: what is ariya jhana?

So you are suggesting that one incorporates this contemplation into one´s practice already at a very early stage, even before developing the first jhana? Yes. The stream-enterer is free from doubt via realising the path, namely, non-attachment that results in nibbana. I looked it up in Vissudhimagg...