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by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:10 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Duality, a necessary evil?
Replies: 20
Views: 169

Re: Is Duality, a necessary evil?

DO negates any substance, but it doesn't negate things which exist. As I have pointed out, the Kaccanagotta Sutta is attacking the Brahmins "All" that Exists with a big "E", but it never says we can't think of things existing with a small "e" contrary to what Nagarjuna and Nanananda claim. The "int...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Duality, a necessary evil?
Replies: 20
Views: 169

Re: Is Duality, a necessary evil?

In Kaccanagotta Sutta, dependent origination is "the middle", and dependent origination is the negation of intrinsic existence. DO negates any substance, but it doesn't negate things which exist. As I have pointed out, the Kaccanagotta Sutta is attacking the Brahmins "All" that Exists with a big "E...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Duality, a necessary evil?
Replies: 20
Views: 169

Re: Is Duality, a necessary evil?

But the middle path of right view is found in the Kaccānagotta Sutta, beautifully used by Ven. Nāgārjuna. When the Theravadins got engrossed with the Abhidhamma they forgot about it. The Mādhyamikas were alert enough to give it the attention it deserved. Wrong, wrong, wrong. That sutta is attacking...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Duality, a necessary evil?
Replies: 20
Views: 169

Re: Is Duality, a necessary evil?

On the “All” The “All” is quite clearly referring to the Upanishadic “All”, or Brahman. Note as well that the Kaccānagotta Sutta makes use of sabbaṃ, which is translated as "the All" and not sabba. “This world, Kaccana, for the most part depends upon a duality—upon the notion of existence and the n...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Duality, a necessary evil?
Replies: 20
Views: 169

Re: Is Duality, a necessary evil?

But the middle path of right view is found in the Kaccānagotta Sutta, beautifully used by Ven. Nāgārjuna. When the Theravadins got engrossed with the Abhidhamma they forgot about it. The Mādhyamikas were alert enough to give it the attention it deserved. Wrong, wrong, wrong. That sutta is attacking...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Duality, a necessary evil?
Replies: 20
Views: 169

Re: Is Duality, a necessary evil?

18. Even while he is living, it is not asserted that the Blessed One exists; nor is it asserted that he does not exist, both exists and does not exist, or neither exists nor does not exist. 19. There is no distinction whatsoever between samsara and nirvana; and there is no distinction whatsoever be...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Duality, a necessary evil?
Replies: 20
Views: 169

Re: Is Duality, a necessary evil?

2. (It is only) if everything is not empty that there can be no arising or passing away (and that one can ask): by what abandonment, by what cessation can nirvana be expected? 3. This is said about nirvana: no abandonment, no attainment, no annihilation, no eternality, no cessation, no arising. 4. ...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:09 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Duality, a necessary evil?
Replies: 20
Views: 169

Re: Is Duality, a necessary evil?

Is it possible for Nibbana to exist without Samsara? Yes. Nāgārjuna is demonstrably wrong. [...] It is not samsara correctly cognised. Misunderstood Nagarjuna. Mulamadhyamakakarika Chapter 25: On Nirvana (An opponent argues) 1. If everything is empty, there can be no arising or passing away; Theref...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:36 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Wow... seeing this video melts my worldy ambition
Replies: 30
Views: 307

Re: Wow... seeing this video melts my worldy ambition

Everything is the best current hypothesis in a given time, including when Einstein hyposthesized the theory of relativity and was unpopular himself. I'm just saying don't easily dismiss it. I'm not dismissing it. I was already aware of it prior and it sounds attractive. So do other theories, such a...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:14 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Wow... seeing this video melts my worldy ambition
Replies: 30
Views: 307

Re: Wow... seeing this video melts my worldy ambition

And your fallacy is Ad Populum, just because something is the current popular belief, doesn't make it true. No, its the best current hypothesis with supporting evidence. If another theory comes along to falsify it then it will be replaced but of course never actually verified, for that is how scien...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:57 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Wow... seeing this video melts my worldy ambition
Replies: 30
Views: 307

Re: Wow... seeing this video melts my worldy ambition

And your fallacy is Ad Populum, just because something is the current popular belief, doesn't make it true. No, its the best current hypothesis with supporting evidence. If another theory comes along to falsify it then it will be replaced but of course never actually verified, for that is how scien...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:38 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Wow... seeing this video melts my worldy ambition
Replies: 30
Views: 307

Re: Wow... seeing this video melts my worldy ambition

In 2010, Penrose reported possible evidence :? Roger Penrose is on the same level as Einstein and Hawking, there are scientific theories and formulas named after him because of his discoveries. Sounds like the logical fallacy of argument from authority. Anyways, according to the suttas the Buddha w...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is nibbāna dependently originated at the sense base?
Replies: 17
Views: 195

Re: Is nibbāna dependently originated at the sense base?

So, for example when the Sautrāntikas say that nibbāna is nothingness that is simply conceptual proliferation arising from nāmarūpa.
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is nibbāna dependently originated at the sense base?
Replies: 17
Views: 195

Re: Is nibbāna dependently originated at the sense base?

You haven't asked me anything? I should have been clearer, sorry. I was posing a series of statements for agreement or dissent to the forum (and you), not asking a question. I see. I think the basic reply should be that since all we know as worldlings are conditioned phenomena and since consciousne...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is nibbāna dependently originated at the sense base?
Replies: 17
Views: 195

Re: Is nibbāna dependently originated at the sense base?

A thought experiment -- test the premises. The Tathāgata upon nibbāna is no longer identified via his having of five aggregates. The Tathāgata is not identifiable inasmuch as he has consciousness. Nibbāna is the cessation of, at least, identifiability with consciousness. When the Tathāgata's body a...