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by Ceisiwr
Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:06 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 282
Views: 4955

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

The bizarre thing is the Abhidhamma disrespect of the suttas. I’m amazed that you think Ven. Bodhi disrespects the suttas. This idea of the 'ancients' is just an appeal to emotion & authority. Of course it’s an appeal to authority, just like how appeals to the suttas are appeals to authority. Respe...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 282
Views: 4955

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings Ceisiwr, Common Abhidhamma Argument #1 - Mentality and materiality are paramattha dhammas (i.e. ultimate dhammas) Thank you for taking the time to present a response to the Sutta Based Responses. Stepping back further, it appears that you are standing alongside the (6) Common Abhidhamma A...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:35 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Do these six points have direct quotes in the abhidhamma?
Replies: 11
Views: 206

Re: Do these six points have direct quotes in the abhidhamma?

waryoffolly wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:33 pm [Noa Ronkin’s “Early Buddhist Metaphysics
This is also good, although I disagree with some of her conclusions.
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 282
Views: 4955

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

It has probably been said before but the Theravada Abhidhamma is sectarian. One party manifesto among many others... the fact that it is still extant doesn't alter the fact that it is just one splinter groups attempt to redefine the Buddha's teachings down to the last atom. I doubt the Elders of an...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:59 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Do these six points have direct quotes in the abhidhamma?
Replies: 11
Views: 206

Re: Do these six points have direct quotes in the abhidhamma?

Hi all, In a different thread I asked retrofuturist the following: Hi Paul, Can you (or anyone else) point me to quotes from the abhidhamma pitaka (not the commentaries) that substantiate each of the claims in your original post? It would strengthen your argument dramatically to do so. I’m also cur...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 282
Views: 4955

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Common Abhidhamma Argument #1 - Mentality and materiality are paramattha dhammas (i.e. ultimate dhammas) Sutta Reponse: Never in the Suttas are materiality referred to as "dhammas". Dhammas are phenomena, whereas materiality is noumena. Instead, materiality is represented in the Sutta via mahabhuta...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:29 am
Forum: Dhammaduta (Dhamma propagation)
Topic: Sri Lankan PM promises to introduce new anti-conversion bill to protect Buddhists
Replies: 25
Views: 620

Re: Sri Lankan PM promises to introduce new anti-conversion bill to protect Buddhists

The Sri Lankan Parliament is going to make a new law prohibiting misinterpretation of Tipitaka. Any person who breaks the law is subject to seven years imprisonment and an Rs1000000 fine! Seven years imprisonment for an incorrect interpretation? That's even harsher than Sutta Central. :rofl:
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta
Replies: 56
Views: 686

Re: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta

… Quite mistaken. There is the case where a monk is wholly accomplished in virtue, moderately accomplished in concentration, and moderately accomplished in discernment. With reference to the lesser and minor training rules, he falls into offenses and rehabilitates himself. Why is that? Because I ha...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Classical Theravada, the Realist Buddhism
Replies: 4
Views: 133

Re: Classical Theravada, the Realist Buddhism

And again, if this is wrong, and all is mind: tired of being poor and needing to buy food? If it’s in your mind, make money appear, if objective reality doesn’t exist, you don’t need food and can live without it. You can’t do either of these things, so this position is silliness. If believing and p...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Classical Theravada, the Realist Buddhism
Replies: 4
Views: 133

Re: Classical Theravada, the Realist Buddhism

I think you might be confusing Solipsism with Representationalism and Idealism. They aren’t synonyms. For example, someone can be a Representationalist without being an Idealist or Solipsistic. Likewise someone can be an Idealist whilst accepting the existence of other minds. Berkeley did. He even a...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:54 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What sees?
Replies: 24
Views: 369

Re: What sees?

Cakkhu vinnana, eye consciousness. I thought it was sensitive matter? Interesting that Theravāda seems to agree with the Sautrāntikas here. If it is then visual consciousness which sees, aren’t we then greeted with a representationalist theory of cognition? That when I see a chair I’m actually seei...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:50 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What sees?
Replies: 24
Views: 369

What sees?

What exactly "sees" was one of the hotly debated topics among the early schools. Below is a brief outline of the Sarvāstivādin and Sautrāntika positions. The question of what actually constitutes the instrument through which we come to acquire knowledge of the external world is one of the important ...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:24 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Nāgārjuna and Momentariness
Replies: 21
Views: 393

Re: Nāgārjuna and Momentariness

Coëmgenu wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:34 am
Very interesting. Are there any clues as to which school the sutra he used belongs to?
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta
Replies: 56
Views: 686

Re: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta

Greetings, Stream-enterers don’t have any Jhana but have awakened to the path and have Right Concentration. This concentration is obviously looser or weaker than Jhana yet is Right. This is access concentration. You may argue about the name, but this is merely quibbling about terms. This makes no s...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:09 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta
Replies: 56
Views: 686

Re: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta

Stream-enterers don’t have any Jhana but have awakened to the path and have Right Concentration. This concentration is obviously looser or weaker than Jhana yet is Right. This is access concentration. You may argue about the name, but this is merely quibbling about terms. And no, I’m not a stream-en...