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by salayatananirodha
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:16 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Question about Nanarama's stages of purification
Replies: 20
Views: 475

Re: Question about Nanarama's stages of purification

So obviously he inherited the anti-commentary views such as Nama excluding vinnana, Sambhavesi ..etc Greetings Eko Care, So obviously he inherited the anti-commentary views such as Nama excluding vinnana Oh. Are you saying SN 12.2 is anti-commentary view? And what is name-&-form? Feeling, perceptio...
by salayatananirodha
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:15 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

majjapa is a drunkard
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:03 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: i dont like the term 'unbound'
Replies: 19
Views: 329

i dont like the term 'unbound'

i always change it to [extinguished] or [extinct] when im sharing a translation from ajahn thanissaro. i've thought to write him about this, but i havent fully read his arguments. its been my understanding that he doesnt wish for westerners to think nibbāna means annihilation. but this could be done...
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:40 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

For me things like coffee, tea and tobacco are not included. One could smoke 20 cigs a day with copius coffee and that doesn't lead to someone beating their wife - it makes me irritable, and i say things i regret ive become terribly annoyed with the way my mom says certain things, and i will tell h...
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:20 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

but you also say that it means excessive drinking only? No, I think you've misread me. The opinion that moderate consumption of alcohol doesn't break the fifth precept is what I was arguing against . But I had to state the view in question before rejecting it. oh, ok. i misread you. my mistake i re...
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:19 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

Greetings salayatananirodha, A good start would be not to jumble up the five precepts for laypeople and the bhikkhu pāṭimokkha. What Robert posted was largely about pāṭimokkha offenses and application of the great standards, rather than lay precept breaches. Metta, Paul. :) of course but the vinaya...
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:15 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

there was a forum member on here who i thought made a good argument: https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?p=37437#p37437 in summary, it's the negligence from the intoxicants that is to be abstained from rather than the substances themselves. Adam: I’ve heard two interpretations of the precept ...
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:41 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

There is some controversy as to what other substances would be included in this factor in line with the Great Standards. Since the Canon repeatedly criticizes alcohol on the grounds that it destroys one's sense of shame, weakens one's discernment, and can put one into a stupor -- as happened to Ven...
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:24 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

i dont think this specific argument is right because keeping the precepts is described exclusively in terms of benefiting the practitioner there can be social pressure around breaking other precepts but its harmful to break those too What exactly do you mean? I'm not sure I follow... 1) there is ne...
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:06 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

how appropriate is it for one interested in the truth to avoid things that are ultimately not harmful in the interest of avoiding harm? can you be excessively cautious
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:55 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

The question is though, does this line up with the Pali 5th precept? If not, and we take an absolutist "you must never drink" type view, it does seem imaginable that you could (as a layperson) find yourself in a situation where it is arguably better to break the precept than not. I could imagine fa...
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:21 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

yeah, i'm not aware either, but it appears to be a prevalent thing, and it would be odd for no one at all to know you could get high off it. the buddha of course knew a great many things so i don't think this would have been a revelation to him. basically, there would have been lots of drugs availab...
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:50 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

oh, i dont know. maybe it has anti-inflammatory properties that treat the source of the pain too
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:40 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

pitithefool wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:56 am What about Cannabis? No doubt that would have been used in the Buddha's time. Do we have any evidence that the Buddha knew about cannabis? If so, why was alcohol singled out?
https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-kd6/en/horner-brahmali wrote:“I allow, monks (the use of) hemp-water.”
bhaṅga is cannabis sativa according to what i've read
by salayatananirodha
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:44 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'
Replies: 50
Views: 687

Re: 'drink and drugs that cause carelessness'

The canon defines the "intoxicant" rule as "fermented drinks which cause heedlessness". Do fermented drinks always cause heedlessness? Best to not encourage those who appear to claim they are a stream-enterer yet appear still doing drugs. This path is common to these types of chatsites; where addic...