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by Srilankaputra
Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 169
Views: 1995

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings, Can you please provide pali terms for what's highlighted below. Sutta Reponse: Never in the Suttas are materiality referred to as "dhammas". Dhammas are phenomena, whereas materiality is noumena. Instead, materiality is represented in the Sutta via mahabhuta (great elements). As for ment...
by Srilankaputra
Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 169
Views: 1995

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings, Unfortunately the redirection did not make clear to me your wording in Argument #1 See the paragraph starting with the words "As I said..." Metta, Paul. :) That's not what I'm asking right now. Just the pali terms for what's highlighted below. Sutta Reponse: Never in the Suttas are mater...
by Srilankaputra
Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 169
Views: 1995

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings Srilankaputra, Common Abhidhamma Argument #1 - Mentality and materiality are paramattha dhammas (i.e. ultimate dhammas) Sutta Reponse: Never in the Suttas are materiality referred to as "dhammas". Dhammas are phenomena, whereas materiality is noumena. Instead, materiality is represented i...
by Srilankaputra
Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 169
Views: 1995

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Common Abhidhamma Argument #1 - Mentality and materiality are paramattha dhammas (i.e. ultimate dhammas) Sutta Reponse: Never in the Suttas are materiality referred to as "dhammas". Dhammas are phenomena, whereas materiality is noumena. Instead, materiality is represented in the Sutta via mahabhuta...
by Srilankaputra
Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:07 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: Is it possible that we may be practicing Vipassana without knowing it?
Replies: 5
Views: 78

Re: Is it possible that we may be practicing Vipassana without knowing it?

I like this word 'bhāvanā' or development. Conventionally speaking, if your trials are making you stronger, this is bhāvanā. Just a little fun fact. In traditional medicine, for some preparations, they take the juice of plants and put it out in the sun, so that the unnecessary stuff evaporates away...
by Srilankaputra
Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:26 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: Is it possible that we may be practicing Vipassana without knowing it?
Replies: 5
Views: 78

Re: Is it possible that we may be practicing Vipassana without knowing it?

I like this word 'bhāvanā' or development. Conventionally speaking, if your trials are making you stronger, this is bhāvanā.
by Srilankaputra
Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 169
Views: 1995

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

retrofuturist wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:12 am I'm just presenting what is in the Sutta and how I understand it.
:anjali:
by Srilankaputra
Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 169
Views: 1995

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

What i am asking is where does these phenemona occur? In the human mind? I don't consider "where" to be a particular useful means of assessing Dhamma, but in the mind is as good an answer as any, since that's where the avijja is. Ah, now we finally cut to the chase. I don't know if you realise this...
by Srilankaputra
Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 169
Views: 1995

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Greetings, And what is the sutta term for noumena? For all intents and purposes it is mahabhuta, since they are the great elements recognised in this Dhamma. I am unsure of whether the Buddha introduced a specific technical term directly corresponding to the noumenic quality of the mahabhuta. How i...
by Srilankaputra
Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 169
Views: 1995

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

retrofuturist wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:26 am Greetings,

Very much so, hence their usage, and my comment to Sarath above that the rūpa of nama-rupa is always rupasañña (phenomena) and not materiality (nounemena)

Metta,
Paul. :)
Thanks. Few questions,

And what is the sutta term for noumena?

What is it that perceives Rupa?
by Srilankaputra
Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 169
Views: 1995

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Common Abhidhamma Argument #1 - Mentality and materiality are paramattha dhammas (i.e. ultimate dhammas) Sutta Reponse: Never in the Suttas are materiality referred to as "dhammas". Dhammas are phenomena, whereas materiality is noumena. Instead, materiality is represented in the Sutta via mahabhuta...
by Srilankaputra
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?
Replies: 202
Views: 2156

Re: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?

... Remembered where I read it: Note that these are rationalizing definitions, i.e. they are intended to distance nāmarūpa from magical/mystical thinking and show that they are amenable to rational, psychological analysis. They are part of a discourse, an argument spread over many centuries about t...
by Srilankaputra
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?
Replies: 202
Views: 2156

Re: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?

How do you interpret them? The quote I’m remembering was along the lines of the teachings of the 5 aggregates etc merely being put forward to correct a distorted view, and that if the Buddha was alive today he would have used other concepts. The core teachings then are merely useful concepts, rathe...
by Srilankaputra
Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: 108 recitations of Itipiso a day
Replies: 15
Views: 224

Re: 108 recitations of Itipiso a day

JamesTheGiant wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:47 am it looks purely devotional
I'm not sure, I haven't tried it. But I am pretty sure most people will forget even which count they are on by the fourth or fifth repetition. It may be possible for a discerning individual to learn a few things about Viriya, Sati and Samadhi.