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by BrokenBones
Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 26
Views: 501

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

MN 140, MN 52 Talking about fake news. A supposedly critical part of the practice according to you is the emerging from jhana (into a normal state) and then penetrating the Dhamma in this normal state. Yet the Buddha completely fails to adhere to your ideas. He abides in jhana and his mind inclines...
by BrokenBones
Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 26
Views: 501

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

The commentarial method of explanation stipulates that the meditator emerges from the jhana attainment and practices insight contemplation with a mind made sharp and supple by the jhana. However, the suttas themselves say nothing about emerging from the jhana. If one reads the suttas alone, without...
by BrokenBones
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 26
Views: 501

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

kasina is used to induce jhana impermanance is seen after u exit out of jhana So you investigate impermanence in a 'normal' state? Why bother with jhana in the first place? Is there anywhere in the suttas that states one comes out of any of the four jhanas in order to develop wisdom? MN 140, MN 52 ...
by BrokenBones
Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:50 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 26
Views: 501

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

Knowing, understanding and discriminating doesn't necessarily involve vittaka & vicara. Even in daily life this can be seen. Understanding (paññā) requires reflective thought (paṭisañcikkhati). How can one reflect when the mind is in an immovable state (āneñja), and without vitakka-vicāra which...
by BrokenBones
Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 26
Views: 501

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

Knowing, understanding and discriminating doesn't necessarily involve vittaka & vicara.

Even in daily life this can be seen.
by BrokenBones
Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 26
Views: 501

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

MN 140, MN 52 It's of little value to throw out a couple of sutta numbers without actually quoting the parts that you think backs up your view. From MN 52 Again, with the abandoning of pleasure and pain…a bhikkhu enters upon and abides in the fourth jhāna …Then they reflect (paṭisañcikkhati) : ‘Thi...
by BrokenBones
Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 26
Views: 501

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

kasina is used to induce jhana impermanance is seen after u exit out of jhana So you investigate impermanence in a 'normal' state? Why bother with jhana in the first place? Is there anywhere in the suttas that states one comes out of any of the four jhanas in order to develop wisdom? MN 140, MN 52 ...
by BrokenBones
Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:18 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 26
Views: 501

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

What is "object-scrutinising Jhāna"? "Jhāna is twofold: that which (views or) examines closely the object and that which examines closely the characteristic marks. Of these two, "object-scrutinising" Jhāna examines closely the devices [e.g., Kasiṇas] as mental objects. Insi...
by BrokenBones
Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:29 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are Homosexuals allowed to ordain?
Replies: 14
Views: 339

Re: Are Homosexuals allowed to ordain?

I don't see the difference between a homosexual or a heterosexual ordaining... at the point of ordination they are surely aiming for asexual.
by BrokenBones
Sat Mar 23, 2024 10:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Learning and counterpart sign comparing with some other description
Replies: 5
Views: 206

Re: Learning and counterpart sign comparing with some other description

It's always a pleasure to see the nuts & bolts of the Buddha's Dhamma discussed so enthusiastically. Even if I have to intentionally blur my focus to do so.
by BrokenBones
Sat Mar 23, 2024 1:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Which one should I follow?
Replies: 12
Views: 465

Re: Which one should I follow?

"... Kalamas, when you yourselves know: 'These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,' enter on and abide in them." https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/soma/wheel008....
by BrokenBones
Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:54 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: Satipaṭṭhāna Meditation Report
Replies: 7
Views: 184

Re: Satipaṭṭhāna Meditation Report

I get the pain. I can relate to some of the same experiences from way back. Perhaps "observing" or investigating the arising and passing away of what is readily discernible and observable would help. Were you angry or lustful today? How did that arise? How did it pass away? How were you le...
by BrokenBones
Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:39 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: Is sati discernment?
Replies: 13
Views: 404

Re: Is sati discernment?

The way I understand is, sati is remembering the teachings and being mindful of them. Discernment is a function of wisdom, of knowing what to do when you remember the teachings, so you can choose a wholesome response. So sati makes discernment possible. 👍 Exactly. Quite a few 'mindfulness' traditio...
by BrokenBones
Sun Mar 17, 2024 10:43 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

Actually... you don't. And the sutta I referenced seems to disprove your point. That's not to say that they can't be accessed via the fourth jhana but it doesn't appear to be a necessity. I told you already, one can't simply jump into arupa-attainments ignoring previous 4 jhanas. Pali Canon has eno...
by BrokenBones
Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:24 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 43
Views: 1083

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

What about it? You're meant to build a disc... be blind to its colour... repeat the mantra earth... earth... earth etc. and somehow this relates to the Buddha's teaching... Note that the Infinitude of space, consciousness, nothingness and neither perception nor non-perception are all perceptions ac...