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by BrokenBones
Sat May 08, 2021 12:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 169
Views: 1682

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

So if I'm understanding hard jhana rightly... One has to leave behind Right Samadhi (assuming hard jhana is Right)... retrospectively examine the jhana that is no longer in ones awareness (you could argue it never was) and uses the fabricated memory of what has been but is no longer... to gain insi...
by BrokenBones
Sat May 08, 2021 11:17 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 169
Views: 1682

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

So if I'm understanding hard jhana rightly... One has to leave behind Right Samadhi (assuming hard jhana is Right)... retrospectively examine the jhana that is no longer in ones awareness (you could argue it never was) and uses the fabricated memory of what has been but is no longer... to gain insig...
by BrokenBones
Sat May 08, 2021 12:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 169
Views: 1682

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

It must be so tiresome for the 'hard jhana' people each time a sutta is quoted to irrevocably puncture their distorted view of jhana.

The amount of nit-picking, obfuscation, grammatical fancies and wilful ignorance that takes place must be very draining.
by BrokenBones
Wed May 05, 2021 12:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 169
Views: 1682

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

... When someone is approaching access concentration, let alone Jhana, the mind becomes increasingly still. In that developing stillness the physical body begins to fade away, as does a sense of “you” and “you” doing anything. This does not address my posting at all. Where in the sutta I quoted is ...
by BrokenBones
Tue May 04, 2021 11:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 169
Views: 1682

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

Dn 2 is one of my favourite suttas. It seems incontrovertible that the body (physical) is meant... "In the same way, when these five hindrances are not abandoned in himself, the monk regards it as a debt, a sickness, a prison, slavery, a road through desolate country. But when these five hindrances ...
by BrokenBones
Tue May 04, 2021 3:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: MN118 Anapanasati Sutta - no mention of white lights
Replies: 67
Views: 1388

Re: MN118 Anapanasati Sutta - no mention of white lights

Although it's written long after the suttas so is less reliable (but it's 500 years before the visuddhimagga), I find that the vimuttimagga offers an interesting insight. It's definitely body orientated and suggests where some meditators go wrong and get sidetracked with beautiful 'signs'... "To the...
by BrokenBones
Mon May 03, 2021 12:58 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 738
Views: 224204

Re: Jhana

Pulsar :goodpost: ... I've made the same point myself in the past.

Throw in hypoesthesia, anosmia & hypogeusia and voila... first jhana 😉
by BrokenBones
Mon May 03, 2021 4:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as 'mi
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as

Hi BrokenBones, What do you mean by "zombie mediatation"? Are you implying that all the Bhikkhus who follow the hard jhana path, are just developing what, a stupor? Coma? Lack of consciousness? And for some misterious reasons, Sujato, Brahm, Brahmali et consortes, insist on teaching us that? Mindle...
by BrokenBones
Mon May 03, 2021 3:11 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as 'mi
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as

Hi BrokenBones, What do you mean by "zombie mediatation"? Are you implying that all the Bhikkhus who follow the hard jhana path, are just developing what, a stupor? Coma? Lack of consciousness? And for some misterious reasons, Sujato, Brahm, Brahmali et consortes, insist on teaching us that? Mindle...
by BrokenBones
Sat May 01, 2021 1:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as 'mi
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as

So you shy away from the definition of fourth jhana? I guess you go with the first part but the similes seem to leave egg on your face. Obviously unable to learn. The suttas in many places equate these terms with the jhanas. And the last time I looked... inserting words into a Sutta that aren't ori...
by BrokenBones
Sat May 01, 2021 12:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as 'mi
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as

Well I've got all the Sutta books he wrote so I certainly have some idea. Sorry but we have been chatting for most of the week. Light weight stuff; just like the reply about MN 128. So you shy away from the definition of fourth jhana? I guess you go with the first part but the similes seem to leave...
by BrokenBones
Sat May 01, 2021 12:31 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as 'mi
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as

As for Bhikhu Bodhi inserting the word 'jhana' into the Sutta... I can forgive him. He u have no idea about the sutta posted which includes no idea about VBBs translation. Worse you cannot know any intention you impute upon VBB. Recently there is a new species using this forum to cultivate false sp...
by BrokenBones
Sat May 01, 2021 12:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: MN118 Anapanasati Sutta - no mention of white lights
Replies: 67
Views: 1388

Re: MN118 Anapanasati Sutta - no mention of white lights

Hi Ceisiwr I asked for clarification of the sutta since this thread about the Anapanasati Sutta. Quick answer... the sutta appears to be saying that one should give up passion for the senses. Sensual desire (passion) is abandoned at first jhana. So 'diverse' perceptions of sights, sounds etc. hold o...
by BrokenBones
Sat May 01, 2021 7:06 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as 'mi
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as

DootDoot... you take the biscuit... you really do. You sidetrack a thread... spout a load of inconsequential nonsense that does nothing at all to further your 'zombie' Jhana fixation and when you get called out for fiddling with a Sutta, you demand we get back on topic. As for Bhikhu Bodhi inserting...
by BrokenBones
Sat May 01, 2021 4:34 am
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: Where to find a monastery that does not bow to statues?
Replies: 16
Views: 635

Re: Where to find a monastery that does not bow to statues?

I've yet to visit one that pointed a gun at your head and demand you 'bow'... just don't do it if it feels wrong.

I find it's a time for reflection of the three refuges.