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by Pulsar
Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 193
Views: 2745

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

mikenz66 wrote
I commented on atipatttoh's post becauwe I found it much more useful and interesting
Can you pl. tell me in what sense you found it useful and interesting? I am interested in learning how
abhidhamma helps us understand suttas better.
Be well! :candle:
by Pulsar
Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 193
Views: 2745

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Can atipatttoh, or mikenz66 or any other abhidhamma expert answer the following? Why do the abhidhammikas call the formless samapatti Jhana? Sutta pitaka never does that. A brief excerpt  "jhana characteristics of formless plane" Does the formless plane have jhana characteristics? https://suttacentr...
by Pulsar
Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 193
Views: 2745

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

atipatttoh wrote 4 elements practice that I have described, is only preparation of rupajhana, "whose mind has not yet reached the goal" still has further training that is required from him. He has to complete the rupajhana training, using that as his strength to further fulfill his complete training...
by Pulsar
Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 193
Views: 2745

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

mikenz66 wrote atipattoh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:32 am I was reading the abhidhamma yesterday, constructing the content for posting, but appolgy, being a bit slow. It seems more interesting to read the text when there is challenging quest. But still take up hell lot of time. Every time I re-read ...
by Pulsar
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: A touchstone for Classical Theravadins
Replies: 24
Views: 411

Re: A touchstone for Classical Theravadins

Zan wrote The Pali Canon, we are told, teaches that nothing exists and/or that all is imaginary. Can you pl clarify, "we are told", anyone can make up stuff like this, we are told, or they told us this. Who told us this? Can you specify the person and the context in which it was told? Do you believe...
by Pulsar
Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:30 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???
Replies: 19
Views: 468

Re: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???

V. Dhammanando asked me regarding the word fraudulent I applied to MN 10 and DN 22. True, I called them fraudulent.  He further wrote  Would you be referring to Bhante Sujāto's theory to this effect? If so, I would note that even he doesn't allege the entire suttas to be fraudulent, but merely that ...
by Pulsar
Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:16 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???
Replies: 19
Views: 468

Re: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???

DooDoot wrote Yes, Chirping Bird, it appears nonsensical. The idea of the samudaya & nirodha of satipatthana appears utterly nonsensical. Will I ever through to you? Guess I will make a separate entry on my Jhana thread regarding the sutta on origination SN 47.42, but these things are so time consum...
by Pulsar
Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:11 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???
Replies: 19
Views: 468

Re: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???

DooDoot wrote  The subforum is about Pali and appears not for doctrinal debate, unless the doctrinal debate is directly related to understanding the Pali.  The point I raised is very much a doctrinal issue, related to the understanding of Pali. interpretation of 4th satipatthana. You are incorrectly...
by Pulsar
Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:07 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???
Replies: 19
Views: 468

Re: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???

Sam Vara wrote I don't think so, in that the teaching is of the origin and the disappearance of the four satipatthānas. Thanks Sam, now I feel a whole lot better. Point of Samma sati is to wipe out the 4 main domains where the mind or consciousness tends to dwell, only SN 47.42 makes this crystal cl...
by Pulsar
Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 193
Views: 2745

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Paul wrote  There was no Abhidhamma Pitaka at the 2nd Council. Congratulations! truth finds its ways. It is early morning and I just woke up to find the thread filled with misleading information. I can see why Buddha took an absence of leave ever so often. Imagine what he had to deal with! The curre...
by Pulsar
Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 193
Views: 2745

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

DooDoot wrote retrofuturist wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:03 am Common Abhidhamma Argument #3 - Dhammas exist, independent of observation Sutta Reponse: This may be true of noumena such as mahabhuta, which are not phenomena (dhammas) but as it applies to dhammas, it is refuted by the Suttas, which stat...
by Pulsar
Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 193
Views: 2745

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Nicholas Weeks wrote This thread is way beyond me, yet I do wonder if there were native Theravadins who refuted Abhidhamma way before Western influence - say before 1500 or even earlier? What do you mean by Native Theravadins that were living before 1500 years ago? Do you mean those that participate...
by Pulsar
Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 193
Views: 2745

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

I am impressed by the OP. Thank you, nowhere else do I find a well thought out clarification of Abhidhamma vs Sutta. DooDoot wrote retrofuturist wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:03 am Common Abhidhamma Argument #3 - Dhammas exist, independent of observation Sutta Reponse: This may be true of noumena such ...
by Pulsar
Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:09 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up?
Replies: 13
Views: 274

Re: Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up?

OP wrote Scholars agree: Therigatha and Theragatha are faked up? Do they also agree that the entire Buddhist canon is faked up? It had to, right? when you think of the method of transmission, considering the physical death of those monks that remembered the most, loss of critical suttas, or the grad...
by Pulsar
Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:36 am
Forum: Study Group
Topic: Profile: Ugga of Vesālī (Week of June 6, 2021)
Replies: 18
Views: 453

Re: 📍 Profile: Ugga of Vesālī (Week of June 6, 2021)

SDC wrote That delight and lust is one’s “intimate companion” just sitting there waiting to kill you: SN 35.238. I will try not to delight at your wonderful response to my comment, since that very delight might prove to by my death . It is nice to have compassionate and benevolent companions in this...