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by AlexBrains92
Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:35 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6834
Views: 903632

Re: the great rebirth debate

SteRo wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:14 pm But yes since madhyamaka proper is just non-implicative negation there is no room for such kinds of speculations.
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by AlexBrains92
Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:31 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6834
Views: 903632

Re: the great rebirth debate

Yes, there is Alayavijnana in early Yogacara, replaced by Cittasantana in later Yogacara. Therefore we find one of these concepts in every Mahayana school with Yogacara influences (probably every Mahayana school, theoretically but Gelug... theoretically!). There is no similiar concept in Madhyamaka...
by AlexBrains92
Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6834
Views: 903632

Re: the great rebirth debate

You'd need to add in concepts like bhavanga from the Abhidhamma in order to flesh out the mechanics of rebirth. The suttas don't really resolve the paradox of anatta and rebirth. No bhavanga for me, thanks :D Life-continuum (bhavanga): The word bhavanga means “factor (anga) of existence (bhava),” t...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:46 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 31
Views: 9895

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

Early Buddhism without rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka may belong to Theravada, of course. No, since the description of Early Buddhism is "Textual analysis and comparative discussion on early Buddhist sects and texts". Apart from the above, you are right. I think it would be more appropriate to abandon...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

Paramattha dhamma = an irreducible aspect of experience. As you agreed earlier, consciousness cannot be reduced further beyond "cognition". Where can I buy Ceisiwr's dictionary? :D Paramattha = irreducible has no basis in the suttas. Consider this Vaibhasika explanation of paramartha: Just as rūpa ...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

Yes. And in the suttas we find this adjective in reference to Nibbana only. It would help if you provided sutta references. For example in the Buddhavagga of Dhammapada (Nibbānaṃ paramaṃ), in Snp 5.7 (parame vimutto). This is not much, but I suspect it's still much more than what you could find in ...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

I would say it does since the suttas say that A) The dhammas exist and B) When they amalgamate into a whole we get certain concepts and conventions which are never said to exist in the suttas, such as "being". Why now do you assume ‘a being’? Mara, is that your speculative view? This is a heap of s...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

Paramattha dhamma = an irreducible aspect of experience. As you agreed earlier, consciousness cannot be reduced further beyond "cognition". Where can I buy Ceisiwr's dictionary? :D Paramattha = irreducible has no basis in the suttas. I would say it does since the suttas say that A) The dhammas exis...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

The paramattha issue is perfectly on topic, because here is the very incompatibility between Theravadin Abhidhamma and Nagarjuna. Paramattha dhamma = an irreducible aspect of experience. As you agreed earlier, consciousness cannot be reduced further beyond "cognition". Where can I buy Ceisiwr's dic...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

So, one straw-manned issue tackled here, regarding misalignment between Nagarjunarists (Not necessarily inclusive of the ven. himself) and Theravada. :heart: The paramattha issue is perfectly on topic, because here is the very incompatibility between Theravadin Abhidhamma and Nagarjuna. Apology for...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

The paramattha issue is perfectly on topic, because here is the very incompatibility between Theravadin Abhidhamma and Nagarjuna. Is it? The Abhidhammika will look at the experiential world of transactional existence and say "This is ultimately true in four ways," and the Madhyamaka will look at th...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

The meaning of Absolute in that case needs to be defined, but I'm not on this atm. The point is on the word "inherent", not even about its synonyms, in that "inherent existence" is not a very good word to argue against "conditioned existence", because they are not mutually exclusive, not the opposi...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

... ... 'Immanent' doesn't sound compatible with dependence, but it does with 'absolute'. Oh, and 'paramattha' also means 'absolute'. Therefore a dhamma can be considered paramattha only if it's not dependent. The meaning of Absolute in that case needs to be defined, but I'm not on this atm. The po...
by AlexBrains92
Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

Agreed, regarding the straw man. Also including the usages in previous post, the two very different things of "No Inherent existence" and "Dependent existence" seems to be straw-manly indenticalized, imo. :heart: Why? It's perfectly logical to me. inherent * built-in * constitutional * deep-rooted ...
by AlexBrains92
Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:18 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 8557

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

It exists, but still not inherently. “Inherently” is a bit of a straw man here. In a moment of cognition there is the dhamma of consciousness which arises and ceases and the concept of “consciousness” in relation to that. Do you agree? Agreed, regarding the straw man. Also including the usages in p...