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by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:25 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:22 pm
Zenny wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:15 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:11 pm

It makes perfect sense to me!
Proof is in the pudding!
You don't get any pudding until you've finished your main course.
Well,nobody except one seemed to have finished the main course.

I'm well fed,your "desert" is not required!!! :jumping:
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:15 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:11 pm
Zenny wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:05 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:56 pm Proof

That's beautifully expressed, un8-. :anjali:
It makes no sense,and there are no examples of this phenomenon in the world.
It makes perfect sense to me!
Proof is in the pudding!
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:37 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Clinging, attachment...

Is it not clinging that conditions suffering and not feeling. Clinging to ephemeral phenomena, feelings, pleasurable and unpleasurable and neither pleasurable nor unpleasurable. The means to learn and practice how to abandon the tendency to cling. This is possible and in the practice progress is pr...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:34 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

I don't The body does, conditions do There is no me or mine on the transcendal level It's a product of objectification, classification, perception At least thats what a realized person would say, i think Hey stuff is complicated, i dont pretend to understand it A material body does nothing in its o...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:05 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

That's still a feeling. Pleasure or relief from stress is still a feeling. Not according to Buddhism, in Buddhism there are 3 feelings, painful, pleasurable and neutral, and they must be born of sensory contact. So in Buddhism, the dissipation of a feeling is not a feeling. So the dissipation of pa...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:32 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

Nibbana is not a feeling. It's described as a pleasure metaphorically, not literally. For example, the pleasure one would get by leaving screaming children, which is removing something from experience. It also isn't a state of being either. That's still a feeling. Pleasure or relief from stress is ...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:29 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

It's a complicated topic, all depends on one's view Not view as in views (judgements, opinions), but view as in the way you "see reality", the way you perceive, whether you have vision/knowledge (vijja) or you don't (avijja), or if something in between (on the path to vijja) worldly =/= o...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:06 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

Nirvana is a state of being,a feeling. Is that dukkha as well? Nibbana is not a feeling. It's described as a pleasure metaphorically, not literally. For example, the pleasure one would get by leaving screaming children, which is removing something from experience. It also isn't a state of being eit...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:04 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

My interpretation, although I haven't read the pali yet: Pleasure is [nearly] the same as pain. Both arise, both cease, both are and or lead to stress. Also, both are perceptions. Pain is a perception. Perception is an arrow. Classifying into good or bad, appealing or unappealing, pleasure or pain,...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:54 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

Nirvana is a state of being,a feeling. Is that dukkha as well? Nibbana is not a feeling. It's described as a pleasure metaphorically, not literally. For example, the pleasure one would get by leaving screaming children, which is removing something from experience. It also isn't a state of being eit...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:53 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

My interpretation, although I haven't read the pali yet: Pleasure is [nearly] the same as pain. Both arise, both cease, both are and or lead to stress. Also, both are perceptions. Pain is a perception. Perception is an arrow. Classifying into good or bad, appealing or unappealing, pleasure or pain,...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:20 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

This is a slightly different take on the notion of pleasant vedanā also being a form of dukkha , the usual reasons being given are that pleasure is changeable, and conditioned, therefore unsatisfactory. I like the idea that suffering is essentially passive, and how it therefore might also include p...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:14 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

Whoever sees pleasure as pain, and pain as an arrow, and that there is nothing between the two: With what will he be what in the world? Sariputta Theragatha And this means? My interpretation, although I haven't read the pali yet: Pleasure is [nearly] the same as pain. Both arise, both cease, both a...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:11 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

This is terribly wrong. A bullet and a massage are qualitatively and consequently totally different. This equation of the two is an affront to common sense language. I don't think that they have différent quality/nature. Purely mechanical speaking they nature is to exercise pressure. But because of...
by Zenny
Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:44 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Suffering pleasure
Replies: 37
Views: 3135

Re: Suffering pleasure

Mr. Seek wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:20 am Whoever sees pleasure as pain,
and pain as an arrow,
and that there is nothing between the two:
With what will he be what in the world?

Sariputta Theragatha
And this means?