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by Sam Vara
Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:11 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 26
Views: 294

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

These er-er-er-ers don't make Abhidhamma Pitaka mutilated from Theravada :smile: When mutilated, it becomes other paths, not theravada, according to quote from op. A rose by any other name would still be a rose. However, any other flower in the name of rose would not become a rose. :heart: I'm not ...
by Sam Vara
Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:07 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 26
Views: 294

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

I'm not sure I understand this. You can't mutilate something from something; you can remove something, leaving the remaining part mutilated. Are you (or is someone else?) claiming that Theravada without Abhidhamma is mutilated? Or that Abhidhamma is mutilated without the other Pitakas? If the forme...
by Sam Vara
Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:05 pm
Forum: Wellness, Diet & Fitness
Topic: UK monasteries - nutrition
Replies: 5
Views: 9898

Re: UK monasteries - nutrition

Contrary to this, I heard of a nun who disrobed about 12 years ago after living in the monastery for several years. When she went for a check-up, the doctor told her that she was borderline malnourished. I don't know what was going on there (she always looked well enough to me!) but if you are thin...
by Sam Vara
Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:01 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 26
Views: 294

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

Spiny Norman wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:39 am Why are people so concerned with who is "proper" Theravada? It makes it sound like an exclusive club.
Yes, I've got my matches ready to burn some heretics, but I can't work out who they are yet.
by Sam Vara
Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:59 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 26
Views: 294

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

These er-er-er-ers don't make Abhidhamma Pitaka mutilated from Theravada :smile: When mutilated, it becomes other paths, not theravada, according to quote from op. A rose by any other name would still be a rose. However, any other flower in the name of rose would not become a rose. :heart: I'm not ...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: DN1 question
Replies: 7
Views: 129

Re: DN1 question

Why does the first being who re-arose at the empty palace of Brahmā possesses longer life, greater beauty, and greater authority than the beings who re-arose there after him while they both came from Ābhassara Brahma-world? Maybe he had generated greater merit than them. If his life span or merit i...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: DN1 question
Replies: 7
Views: 129

Re: DN1 question

freedom wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:27 pm
Why does the first being who re-arose at the empty palace of Brahmā possesses longer life, greater beauty, and greater authority than the beings who re-arose there after him while they both came from Ābhassara Brahma-world?
Maybe he had generated greater merit than them.
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:16 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 26
Views: 294

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

And, this site is not about "Many different forms of Buddhism", it's about "Dhamma of Theravada Buddhism" which, according to the context set in the OP, necessitates Abhidhamma Pitaka as one of its essential ingredients, effectively discarding Abhidhamma rejectors to the other paths. :heart: What a...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: looking for suttas on humility
Replies: 3
Views: 72

Re: looking for suttas on humility

Let them be able and upright straightforward and gentle in speech humble and not conceited not proud or demanding in nature let them never do the slightest thing the wise would later reprove "karaniya metta sutta" excerpt what is demanding means? In this context it is a translation of nanugiddho , ...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: How long to attain first jhana?
Replies: 98
Views: 1125

Re: How long to attain first jhana?

Indeed it would be, if by "sensuality" we mean kāmacchanda rather than objects of sensuous experience. One is simply just a subcategory of another. Sensual desire is a category of sensuous experience, they all fall under the category of form. And all form is to be rejected: Indeed, but my point is ...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: How long to attain first jhana?
Replies: 98
Views: 1125

Re: How long to attain first jhana?

But, of course, I also don't see any teachings advocating going out searching for sense pleasures, and there are times when avoidance is the sensible approach... However, my understanding is that renunciation is developed by understanding the drawbacks, not by simple avoidance. Yes, exactly so. It'...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: How long to attain first jhana?
Replies: 98
Views: 1125

Re: How long to attain first jhana?

I'll work on getting those suttas for you tomorrow. Thanks. To be clear, they would have to definitively make the positive claim that beauty should never be attended to at all, if one wishes to be rid of sensual desires. Although I'll say, the point of seclusion is exactly to avoid such things. Not...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:08 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: How long to attain first jhana?
Replies: 98
Views: 1125

Re: How long to attain first jhana?

Are you saying you can look at beautiful things and not attend to them? Seems contradictory. If not, what are you saying? No, I'm saying that the sutta seems to leave open the possibility that one might look at or attend to beautiful things, but not do it unwisely. And conversely, that attention to...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:58 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: How long to attain first jhana?
Replies: 98
Views: 1125

Re: How long to attain first jhana?

Asubha meditation.. Why would you think sense-restraint involves looking at beautiful things? Sense-restraint means exactly what it says, avoiding at looking at sensual things.. See Right Effort: I'm not sure what asubha meditation has to do with it. I was wondering if you had any references for th...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: How long to attain first jhana?
Replies: 98
Views: 1125

Re: How long to attain first jhana?

Beauty should not be attended to at all, instead Ugliness (asubha) is what should be attended to, to get rid of sensual desires. Doesn't the sutta cited above mean that improper attention to the sign of the beautiful is to be avoided, rather than all attention is to be avoided? Or are you making a ...