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by atipattoh
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

You can try... But the more developed the samadhi the more result it will bring. I'd recommend going "as deep" as you can. Not everyone is ugghaṭitaññu or vipañcitaññu. Then, it is not 'directly', isn't it? People see things within concept, how to see differently if not deep enough? Frank...
by atipattoh
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

I am not sure if Alex did try to understand what I was saying in this post
by atipattoh
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

The important aspect of samadhi is to focus on the characteristics rather than mechanistically just absorbing into an object and not doing anything more. So you can focus on characteristics, without attaining rupajhana first? If this is so, you have not master mind reverting skill, how can you focu...
by atipattoh
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

It means seeing without saññā-vipallāsa, for example. How do you do that, practically? And how do you arrive at directly knows earth as earth? What is your this earth? The Noble Eightfold Path, does it. No "one" to do or walk on it, though. Magga-phala will remove and/or weaken vipallāsa ...
by atipattoh
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

Alex123 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:03 pm It means seeing without saññā-vipallāsa, for example.
How do you do that, practically?
And how do you arrive at directly knows earth as earth? What is your this earth?
by atipattoh
Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

Alex123 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:48 pm
The word (directly) it self has direct meaning, no metaphor involves, aka direct vision.
What then, is 'directly' , for you?
by atipattoh
Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:36 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

I was also surprised, lets look at MN#1 again: A commoner "perceives" while a trainee and arahant "directly knows" earth as earth and the whole totality of experience. The Blessed One said: “There is the case, monks, where an uninstructed run-of-the-mill person—who has no regard...
by atipattoh
Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

Coëmgenu wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:40 pm
Alex123 wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:22 pmIt appears that Arhants don't perceive rupa
I was quite surprised by that statement ....
by atipattoh
Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:50 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

It is not arupa states. It is already an onset of "first level" "timeless", what papañcasaṅkhā is there? People are easy to dismiss when they read arupa states; the scheme of 9, is the backbone of the structure; emptiness is within 9, signless is within 9. Well, if you prefer to...
by atipattoh
Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

But then there are very deep teachings describing the awakened state as: "One not percipient of perceptions not percipient of aberrant perceptions, not unpercipient, nor percipient of what's disappeared: for one arriving at this, form disappears — for objectification-classifications ( papañcas...
by atipattoh
Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

Once, friend Ananda, when I was staying right here in Savatthi in the Blind Man’s Grove, I reached concentration in such a way that I was neither percipient of earth with regard to earth… nor of the next world with regard to the next world, and yet I was still percipient ". I should have remin...
by atipattoh
Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

Earth is not bare object, dude! But earth element of rupa! Bare perception of earth (and other "physical" things) exists. A person in meditation isn't supposed to obsess about it and cling to it. Isn't that the Buddha teaches one to guard his meditation object with care, by day and by nig...
by atipattoh
Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

Wow! ... Don't turn arahants into zombies, friend! 😂 Good luck. Look like i have wasted my time 🤣😂. But some will understand hopefully. If not, One will find out before death for sure. Make sure the whole path is one unity to end dukkhas. The body and mind become cool. 😁 :rofl: Luckily, i have not ...
by atipattoh
Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

The Sandha Sutta described Nirodha samapatti because one is still perceiving . An arahant free with wisdom or free both way is still perceiving after arahanthood. Wow! whatever is seen, heard, sensed, cognized, attained, sought after, or pondered by the intellect : the perception of that has ceased...
by atipattoh
Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:35 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.
Replies: 302
Views: 3399

Re: Stop looking for a Method... it's already there.

Sandha sutta says: " perception of earth with regard to earth has ceased to exist; " . Note it is NOT necessarily the bare perception of the object itself that ceases. Same for all the other categories. Earth is not bare object, dude! But earth element of rupa! AN10.7 is the forward order...