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by chownah
Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 277
Views: 3161

Re: Unconditioned

All this banter about no self!!!! Didn't the buddha once say that he could not imagine a kind of self which would not bring dukkha? (Can someone find that sutta?) So, I guess, that you can go ahead and imagine some kind of self for yourself but the buddha says that it will be stressful..... Of cours...
by chownah
Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 277
Views: 3161

Re: Unconditioned

So....it seems to me that it would be good if people said something to account for this peculiarity which is found everywhere in the suttas.....why is "atthi" use most always with worldly metaphores related to "nibbana" but it is never used with "nibbana" itself?.......this is not an assertion base...
by chownah
Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:10 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The senses are hell (animation video)
Replies: 34
Views: 390

Re: The senses are hell (animation video)

As I answered it is both here on earth and a plane/realm. However as I also said, hell is only bad because of the people there, and people are composed of views and tendencies. Therefore the problem lies in views and tendencies I couldn't tell from your post whether you meant that somewhere being h...
by chownah
Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 277
Views: 3161

Re: Unconditioned

... If you really think that in texts such as Ud 8.1 nibbāna's existence (whatever that means) is not affirmed then there really is no point in us discussing this further. I don't understand your logic and to me it's poor. Best we just leave it at that and move on, rather than beat the dead horse. ...
by chownah
Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 277
Views: 3161

Re: Unconditioned

nāmakāya is a different word from Kāya. Nikāya is a different word from Kāya. Yes, the root there being “kāya”. What do you think nāmakāya means? Mental body. Seeing as we know there are different meanings of “body” in the suttas and the Buddha only says “body” in my quote we can either conclude th...
by chownah
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 277
Views: 3161

Re: Unconditioned

I would think this is just figure of speech Whatever one considers that “contacting the deathless element with the body” m[/b]eans you are still correct that "nibbana" does not appear in The All sutta. chownah But it does, under “dhammā”. I do hope this isn’t going to follow a similar trajectory as...
by chownah
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 277
Views: 3161

Re: Unconditioned

As with English “body” doesn’t just mean the physical body. For example in English we can also find “a body of water” or “the student body”. In the suttas we find that “Kāya” can also have a range of meanings. For example it can mean the physical body (or, perhaps, the aggregates as a whole but it ...
by chownah
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:36 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 277
Views: 3161

Re: Unconditioned

But you did, under “mental-phenomena”. What do you think “contacting the deathless element with the body” m eans? I would think this is just figure of speech Whatever one considers that “contacting the deathless element with the body” means you are still correct that "nibbana" does not appear in Th...
by chownah
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:28 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 277
Views: 3161

Re: Unconditioned

If Nibbana is "unconditioned", does this mean it exists independently of cognising minds? Could it be that you ask this question because you have not directly known the extent of designation and the extent of the objects of designation, the extent of expression and the extent of the objects of expr...
by chownah
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:08 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The senses are hell (animation video)
Replies: 34
Views: 390

Re: The senses are hell (animation video)

Hell is just a place, and places are not the problem. It's the people who occupy that place that is the problem. Does this mean that the room you showed in the picture is hell but the condition of the room is not a problem but rather it is the reaction that people have to the room that is the probl...
by chownah
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:04 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The senses are hell (animation video)
Replies: 34
Views: 390

Re: The senses are hell (animation video)

I guess the answer to that depends on whether hell and other realms are seen as real and distinct from "our world", so as to include constant and barely imaginable torment; or whether they are "psychologised" so as to be seen as metaphors for human feelings. coconut, Does sam vara's post contain yo...
by chownah
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:17 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The senses are hell (animation video)
Replies: 34
Views: 390

Re: The senses are hell (animation video)

Is anything one finds as unpleasant hell? Is the mildly unpleasant one level of hell? chownah I guess the answer to that depends on whether hell and other realms are seen as real and distinct from "our world", so as to include constant and barely imaginable torment; or whether they are "psychologis...
by chownah
Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Unconditioned
Replies: 277
Views: 3161

Re: Unconditioned

If Nibbana is "unconditioned", does this mean it exists independently of cognising minds? Could it be that you ask this question because you have not directly known the extent of designation and the extent of the objects of designation, the extent of expression and the extent of the objects of expr...
by chownah
Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:46 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The senses are hell (animation video)
Replies: 34
Views: 390

Re: The senses are hell (animation video)

Is anything one finds as unpleasant hell? Is the mildly unpleasant one level of hell?
chownah
by chownah
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:48 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The senses are hell (animation video)
Replies: 34
Views: 390

Re: The senses are hell (animation video)

Is eating where you shit hell? https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/763c5f6cfc91b2fac9481c289338ee660b149e0b/0_0_1440_961/master/1440.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=ded84894c420eb2e2fa89fb5da704620 https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/2Z_Oep6tCTSxI7VQbJiydQLueTE=/1200x850/media/img/photo/20...