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by robertk
Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:42 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali sources on the time after the mahāparinibbāna to First Council (including)
Replies: 4
Views: 2999

Re: Pali sources on the time after the mahāparinibbāna to First Council (including)

I don't have the pali to hand but do have the Commentary in English the Mahaaparinibbaana Sutta, ( Yang-Gyu An) (PTS) . It begins slightly before the Buddha' parinibbana The Buddha’s Last Days ” ‘That which was taught and made known (pa~n~natta)’: The Dhamma is both taught and made known. The Vinaya...
by robertk
Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Milindapañha's incorporation into the canon
Replies: 15
Views: 3880

Re: Milindapañha's incorporation into the canon

It looks like I'll be making a companion "Connections" thread then after all and that I ought to apologize to Robert. I was aware of the Milinda text being much longer, but had attributed it to sections of the NBS being lost or the Chinese translation being of only excepts and/or incomplete rather ...
by robertk
Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:25 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 56
Views: 11378

Re: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

zan: The Mahayana have many treatises to ostensibly prove their superiority and disprove classical Theravada (and extremely strangely, all of Buddhism). Are there any such things in the Theravada that do the reverse? Have any authors in history written in defense of orthodox Theravada on this topic...
by robertk
Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:43 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 56
Views: 11378

Re: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

Yes, I think so. For me I am grateful to the monks of old who kept the pristine( I believe) Dhamma - and so it is still available to us. And you feel somehow cordially connected to them, even though you don't have a reciprocal/mutual relationship with them? I feel awe and inspiration- even though i...
by robertk
Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:09 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 56
Views: 11378

Re: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

It might be that still people can be in error when relying on their own experiences.. The sutta says Kalamas, when you yourselves know: 'These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise ; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,'...
by robertk
Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:58 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 56
Views: 11378

Re: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

So we have doubts and confusions about which way to go, and there is no gold seal that we can break and viola - here is the obvious real deal. Unless actual attainment occurs. But maybe deciding to listen to someone who claims they have attainment these days is one way to go wrong- the numbers are g...
by robertk
Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:20 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 56
Views: 11378

Re: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

Basically I've lost faith due to following logic. Sure. Who told you to follow logic? Isn't this problem of faith solved by the Kalama Sutta, where the Buddha told people not to rely (among other things) on logic, but to rely on our own experiences? :anjali: It might be that still people can be in ...
by robertk
Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:05 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 56
Views: 11378

Re: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

zan: So, if we extrapolate certain ideas in the Pali Canon to their (hopefully incorrect) logical extreme, we end up at a point where the Buddha has zero authority because some of his own teachings (only at this logical extreme) negate any reason to follow them.....We also end up where enlightenmen...
by robertk
Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:04 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 56
Views: 11378

Re: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

Later Mahinda, the great pupil of Moggaliputta tissa, went to Sri lanka - that great island which was to become the depository of the Dhamma. Here is where he instructed some female layfollowers When the Thera had finished his meal and removed his hand from the bowl, — 82. (the king) ad- dressed que...
by robertk
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:54 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 56
Views: 11378

Re: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

There will always be those who oppose the Theravada- it is no surprise that this happens today. This is about the 3rd council at the time of Asoka Wise Moggaliputta, the destroyer of the schismatic doctrines, firmly established the Thera- vada and held the third Council. 41. Having destroyed the dif...
by robertk
Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:32 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 56
Views: 11378

Re: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

zan wrote: I am looking for renewal of faith in classical Theravada and nothing else. here is some more from the Dipavamsa which may help . It lists the great monks at the first council and explains why the name Theravada: Kassapa was the chief propounder of the Dhutanga pre- cepts according to the...
by robertk
Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:46 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 56
Views: 11378

Re: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

Katthavathuppakarana-Atthakatha (by Buddhaghosa) (p3 of Points of contoversy, PTS) It talks about after the second council (about 100 years after Buddha parinibbana) Theravada in these quotes are 'Classical Theravada'. It points out the various schisms happening long ago . "Ten thousand of the of t...
by robertk
Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Milindapañha's incorporation into the canon
Replies: 15
Views: 3880

Re: Milindapañha's incorporation into the canon

I figured it must be ignorance. They are the same work. Completely. The Sarvāstivādin is the original . This is not to be debated with someone who has no idea what he is talking about, as you have already admitted. Please do not clog up this thread with more irreverent off-topic chatter and, if it ...