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by zan
Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Was the Buddha secretly teaching Ajnana doctrine?
Replies: 46
Views: 1912

Re: Was the Buddha secretly teaching Ajnana doctrine?

And just because I know someone will say that the obvious contradiction between Nagarjuna's teachings, and the Buddha's teachings, is circumvented when we realize that the Buddha taught in conventional teachings in the suttas, but his ultimate teachings match and agree with Nagarjuna, we can put thi...
by zan
Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Was the Buddha secretly teaching Ajnana doctrine?
Replies: 46
Views: 1912

Re: Was the Buddha secretly teaching Ajnana doctrine?

This sutta is relevant, too, which conclusively defines the position articulated (and then denied as a position) by Nagarjuna and the Madhyamaka school and the Yogacara school, as wrong view: And what is wrong view? 'There is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing sacrificed. There is no fruit or r...
by zan
Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:39 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?
Replies: 36
Views: 3194

Re: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?

Here is a relevant sutta, zan. Then Ven. Ananda approached the nun and, on arrival, sat down on a prepared seat. As he was sitting there, he said to the nun: "This body, sister, comes into being through food. And yet it is by relying on food that food is to be abandoned. "This body comes into being...
by zan
Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:35 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?
Replies: 36
Views: 3194

Re: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?

I'm really sorry Dootdoot, but I still don't see how that explains that it is not that a being literally generates their own food merely by desiring it (craving for it). The sutta sounds like it is saying that if a being wants an apple, an apple will be generated merely by that want, out of craving...
by zan
Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Was the Buddha secretly teaching Ajnana doctrine?
Replies: 46
Views: 1912

Re: Was the Buddha secretly teaching Ajnana doctrine?

... I should add that in mn-72 the Buddha is saying he doesn't hold views on the specific topics that the Vaccha has presented. This in no way implies that he holds no views on anything whatsoever and there is nothing in the sutta to imply that. Obviously he held Right View as very important and ta...
by zan
Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:49 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Did the Buddha use all six pramanas? Or strictly just two?
Replies: 5
Views: 630

Re: Did the Buddha use all six pramanas? Or strictly just two?

There was once a Brahman asking, having similar ideas, good householder: Canki Sutta: With Canki Thanks, that pretty much answers it. The Buddha seems to use all six pramanas in this sutta, even using them to explain why they should not be relied on as fact, yet this is still using them. So, I susp...
by zan
Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:59 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?
Replies: 36
Views: 3194

Re: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?

Perhaps it is simply that food, like apples are not considered nutriment, or at least not the type of nutriment spoken of in SN 12.11 until they are consumed? Hence, apples are not generated by craving, but internal nutriment is. External apples are external nutriment, generated by nutriment or tejo...
by zan
Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:55 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?
Replies: 36
Views: 3194

Re: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?

I think the OP is missing context, which is provided here: Every aggregate has its nutriment. The nutriment of food is craving, it is craving for existence or avoiding pain of hunger (physical pain) that we desire food. If one is an Arahant who wants to die, lets say to bad health, they will not cr...
by zan
Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:40 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?
Replies: 36
Views: 3194

Re: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?

I think the OP is missing context, which is provided here: Contemplating [co-conditional] origination in relation to phenomena: advanced mindfulness To abide contemplating origination and disappearance is called 'the development of the basic practice of mindfulness' (satipaṭṭhānabhāvanā, S.5.183). ...
by zan
Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:34 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?
Replies: 36
Views: 3194

Re: Orthodox explanation of a SN 12.11?

Forgive my dullness but I still don't understand how that explains the sutta which talks about the origin (creation, source) of food. What is the origin of food? The origin of food for the maintenance of the wrong view of "a being" is craving. I'm really sorry Dootdoot, but I still don't see how th...
by zan
Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is there a sutta in the Pali Canon where someone holds the view "all is unreal" and the Buddha addresses this view?
Replies: 35
Views: 1453

Re: Is there a sutta in the Pali Canon where someone holds the view "all is unreal" and the Buddha addresses this view?

In fact, Vyasa who wrote the Brahma sutras classified the Pali Canon reliant school as "realists", and delineated them from the Yogacara "idealists" and Madhyamaka "nihilists": This Sutra begins the refutation of the Bauddha school. There are three principal schools of Buddhism, viz . the Realists, ...
by zan
Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is there a sutta in the Pali Canon where someone holds the view "all is unreal" and the Buddha addresses this view?
Replies: 35
Views: 1453

Re: Is there a sutta in the Pali Canon where someone holds the view "all is unreal" and the Buddha addresses this view?

The final word is just simple common sense. If the Buddha meant to teach exactly as the Yogacara did (or something very similar): "all is mind", he would have just said so. The Pali Canon would read exactly like the Mahayana sutras that teach all is mind, as well as the Yogacara teachings that teach...
by zan
Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:22 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is there a sutta in the Pali Canon where someone holds the view "all is unreal" and the Buddha addresses this view?
Replies: 35
Views: 1453

Re: Is there a sutta in the Pali Canon where someone holds the view "all is unreal" and the Buddha addresses this view?

Nicolas wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:20 pm
Nicolas wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:32 am Kaccānagotta Sutta (SN 12.15)
For one who sees the origin of the world as it really is with correct wisdom, there is no notion of nonexistence in regard to the world.
[...]
‘All does not exist’: this is the second extreme.
(Adding the actual quote.)
Thank you!
by zan
Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is there a sutta in the Pali Canon where someone holds the view "all is unreal" and the Buddha addresses this view?
Replies: 35
Views: 1453

Re: Is there a sutta in the Pali Canon where someone holds the view "all is unreal" and the Buddha addresses this view?

"all is imaginary/illusory/mind/etc.," The Pali canon supports it. Wynne comes to the conclusion that: The ultimate truth to which Gotama has awakened is that our world of experience belongs in the mind: "I declare that the world, its arising, cessation and the way thereto occurs in this very fatho...
by zan
Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is there a sutta in the Pali Canon where someone holds the view "all is unreal" and the Buddha addresses this view?
Replies: 35
Views: 1453

Re: Is there a sutta in the Pali Canon where someone holds the view "all is unreal" and the Buddha addresses this view?

Kaccānagotta Sutta (SN 12.15) For one who sees the origin of the world as it really is with correct wisdom, there is no notion of nonexistence in regard to the world. [...] ‘All does not exist’: this is the second extreme. (Adding the actual quote.) The "All" here (Sabbaṃ) does not refer to the wor...