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by Circle5
Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Breaking News! Theravada down on Original Buddhism rankings
Replies: 23
Views: 3167

Re: Breaking News! Theravada down on Original Buddhism rankings

Greetings Rightviewftw, One position that your analysis seems to discount, is the possibility that some people are interested in the Buddha's own teachings (Buddha-vacana), and not necessarily the sectarian doctrines and interpretations that were established, reified, and in some cases ossified, in...
by Circle5
Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "There's no self": a sutta says
Replies: 41
Views: 4011

Re: THERE'S NO SELF: a sutta says

"assuming self where there is no self", is not saying there is no self. It means just what it says, assuming one in a place where there isn't, ie the aggregates. I don't disagree that there isn't a self, but I wouldn't use that sutta as my reference if I were going around trying to prove it to othe...
by Circle5
Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

I have never read in the suttas that "vedana (feelings)" = "suffering". Again, you probably need to provide literal direct sutta evidence (rather than your personal embellished interpretation of sutta). I think even a child can tell you that suffering is an unpleasant feeling. It's not an airplane,...
by Circle5
Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

What makes you think that a self is required for a feeling (suffering) to arise? You do not agree that contact alone is enough for feelings to arise?
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

When suffering arises in the case of those animals or small children, the tendency towards conceit is also present in them same as in humans. But the view that "there is me that suffers" does not arise because such a machine made out of 5 aggregates, unlike humans over age 2, does not possess suffi...
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

Greetings Circle5, simply because you are dissatisfied with the answer. Can you quote me the answer in question, if you claim or imply there was any? The Buddha had a turn of phrase, “Then householder, explain it, as it occurs to you.” The import of this, was that he allowed the householder to expr...
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

retrofuturist wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:10 am simply because you are dissatisfied with the answer.
Can you quote me the answer in question, if you claim or imply there was any?
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:01 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

Also, if the unpleasant vedana are dukkha, what exactly was the Buddha liberated from? From dukka, in the bigger sense of not getting reborn anymore. He was also liberated from mental pain in this very life, but not liberated from physical pain, as the sutta about getting struck by 2 arrows explain...
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

I didn't jump this irrelevant question. I already answered it. The Buddha taught about something he called "self" and how it arises.
You just jumped it again. I didn't ask the Buddha weather he believes there is a self in feelings (such as suffering) or apart from them or etc., I asked DootDot.
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

You jumped a question:

"Do you regard suffering (a feeling) as self? Do you regard the perception of suffering as self? Do you believe there is a self apart from suffering? Do you regard the thought that "there is a self that suffers" to be self? Do you believe there might be a self apart from it?"
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

Haven't you observed clues that hint towards suffering arising in animals and children below age 2? Things like screaming, crying, running away, etc ? Yes. I have observed this with the ordinary eye of a worldling. Even ants & maggots do this. But the Dhamma appears to say physical pain & associate...
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

Haven't you observed clues that hint towards suffering arising in animals and children below age 2? Things like screaming, crying, running away, etc? I thought in Dependent Origination the Buddha included self-doctrine attachment in the 9th link and then becoming as 10th link. These are the conditio...
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:11 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

Almost all animals and children under age 2 do not possess self-view and yet, there is still suffering arising from time to time in those assemblies of 5 aggregates due to conditions. Really? Where do the suttas say this? :popcorn: For the ultra-fundie types that do not accept information about the...
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

The above seems to be totally avoiding the fact the idea of "self" (regardless of what it really is) is required for dukkha. Possibly. But this suffering appears due to the view of "self". The "virus" appears to be "self", according to the historical Buddha. To quote Almost all animals and children...
by Circle5
Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Back to self!
Replies: 84
Views: 5626

Re: Back to self!

Like Buddhaghosa's 12-fold emptiness, you seem to be saying emptiness (sunnata) suffers & emptiness spins around in samsara. However, the historical Buddha appeared to say "self" ("atta") or "a being" ("satta") spins around in samsara. For example: When we use the phrasing "my computer removed a vi...