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by Ceisiwr
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1779

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

Where can I buy Ceisiwr's dictionary? :D Paramattha = irreducible has no basis in the suttas. I would say it does since the suttas say that A) The dhammas exist and B) When they amalgamate into a whole we get certain concepts and conventions which are never said to exist in the suttas, such as "bei...
by Ceisiwr
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:37 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1779

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

... Thanks, for many interesting points deserving repeated visits. Especially this: The northern Buddhist's version of SN 12.15 thus became severed from its pre-Buddhist and Upanishadic context, whilst the Theravādin sutta retained the historical philosophical contexts of these teachings as did the...
by Ceisiwr
Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1779

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

The paramattha issue is perfectly on topic, because here is the very incompatibility between Theravadin Abhidhamma and Nagarjuna. Paramattha dhamma = an irreducible aspect of experience. As you agreed earlier, consciousness cannot be reduced further beyond "cognition". Where can I buy Ceisiwr's dic...
by Ceisiwr
Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:01 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1779

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

AlexBrains92 wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:11 pm
The paramattha issue is perfectly on topic, because here is the very incompatibility between Theravadin Abhidhamma and Nagarjuna.
Paramattha dhamma = an irreducible aspect of experience. As you agreed earlier, consciousness cannot be reduced further beyond "cognition".
by Ceisiwr
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:57 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 26
Views: 300

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

Who recited the Abhidhamma at the first council? That really has little to nothing to do with what is being discussed here. We are discussing what makes one a Theravādin, a Sarvāstivādin or a Suttavādin. We aren't discussing the origin of the Abhidhamma which, according to Theravādin tradition, cam...
by Ceisiwr
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:43 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 26
Views: 300

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

If we look at discussions around the unconditioned and nibbāna we see Theravāda acknowledges only 1 unconditioned dhamma which is nibbāna which exists in its own right and is external to us, based on its Abhidhamma and commentaries. Sarvāstivāda acknowledges 3 unconditioned dhammas based on their Ab...
by Ceisiwr
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:34 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 26
Views: 300

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

Those who reject Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins), according to this An easy way to approach this is to simply as what makes one a Theravādin, a Sarvāstivādin or a Suttavādin? It is their Abhidhamma/Abhidharma and commentaries or,...
by Ceisiwr
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:25 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins)
Replies: 26
Views: 300

Re: Those rejecting Abhidhamma Pitaka itself (regardless of commentaries) are not actual Theravadins (nor Vibhajjavadins

According to "progressive Theravada" or more commonly, "Modern Theravada" or "Early Buddhism" https://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php?title=Modern_Theravada The Commentaries were written from 300 CE to 13 century CE, after the Fourth Council. Thus, someone who follows the "Theravada" as it was set to ...
by Ceisiwr
Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1779

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

What did I think of when I read your post about the water emitting food? But the single mass of water at that time was utterly dark. The moon and sun were not found, nor were stars and constellations, day and night, months and fortnights, years and seasons, or male and female. Beings were simply kn...
by Ceisiwr
Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1779

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

The above post is a part of what I posted somewhere in the beginning of the thread. Maybe I've missed the reply to that, but I could not find that yet. The reason I want to know is that if it is proved that "Nagarjuna isn't Reconcilable with the suttas", then I won't bother anymore deep reading abo...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:19 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 863

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

The Buddha wasn't alone in this type of thinking. If we look at the poetry of those who have awakened in the Theragāthā & Therīgāthā we can see that despite being awakening they still took for granted some explanations of the world that today we would consider to be unscientific. For example: My li...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1779

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

This concept-obsession is huge strawman. Just answer my question, please. It’s not a straw man since I’m not attacking an argument you never made. I’m stating my own position. A dhamma is an ultimate reality because it cannot be broken down any further under analysis and exists apart from concept. ...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:04 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 863

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

The Buddha wasn't alone in this type of thinking. If we look at the poetry of those who have awakened in the Theragāthā & Therīgāthā we can see that despite being awakening they still took for granted some explanations of the world that today we would consider to be unscientific. For example: My lit...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:16 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 863

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

I don't know what are the implications of existing anything beyond samsara and nibbana TBH. It probably opens spurious interpretations about God or the like. Who knows? DO begins in ignorance... What possibly originated it? Well in the Dhamma the Sabbaṃ is the epistemological limit. The vision and ...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:57 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 863

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

In other words, it's not possible to know everything. The Buddha knows everything about and within the All. That is the limit of what can be known. If there is anything outside of the All, we cannot know. In other words, the Buddha can know anything about what is possible to know. The interesting t...