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by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:50 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

And is it possible to know everything at all? Why didn't the Buddha discover the beginning of Samsara? :shrug: He said it is without discoverable beginning. In other words, it's not possible to know everything. The Buddha knows everything about and within the All. That is the limit of what can be k...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:47 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

:shrug: Only later in the sutta it's talked about knowing things at the same time. The Buddha was asked if he said that it is impossible to claim knowledge and vision that is all knowing and seeing. The Buddha said he never said that. He clarifies that he said that it is only impossible to know eve...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:32 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

"It is not possible that a brahman or contemplative would claim a knowledge and vision that is all-knowing and all-seeing without exception ."' Those who say this: are they speaking in line with what the Blessed One has said? Are they not misrepresenting the Blessed One with what is unfactual? Are ...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:29 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

Interestingly a section of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad mentions Ajatasatru, the same king we find in the suttas: II-i-1: Om. There was a man of the Garga family called Proud Balaki, who was a speaker. He said to Ajatasatru, the king of Benares, ‘I will tell you about Brahman’. Ajatasatru said, ‘For...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:26 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

In the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad we find similar thinking regarding the stacking, as it were, of the elements: Verse 3.6.1: अथ हैनं गार्गी वाचक्नवी पप्रच्छ; याज्ञवल्क्येति होवाच, यदिदं सर्वमप्स्वोतं च प्रोतं च, कस्मिन्नु खल्वाप ओताश्च प्रोताश्चेति; वायौ गार्गीति; कस्मिन्नु खलु वायुरोतश्च प्रोतश्चेति;...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:47 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

It'd be useful to know the range of knowledge of the Buddha. The most pragmatic position is assuming he was not omniscient. It doesn't create unnecessary implications and we can hypothesize he was maybe wrong, not blindly denying the possibility of mistakes. It's great how the suttas have an answer...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:45 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

I will be the devil's advocate: How can you see the workings of the cosmos, expansion, retraction, beings passing away and arising in accordance with their kamma, the Brahma world, and can't explain gravity or give a better explanation about a simple earthquake? :reading: All of that happens in one...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:35 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

They also show up in early Greek philosophy too.
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:33 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

I also considered that. Hindus love to put those 5 elements everywhere. I was reading a book on Ayurveda and even food is classified like that. Sweet taste is water and earth, for example. :rolleye: I mean also remember that annihilationists like Ajita Kesakambali accepted the 4 elements and incorp...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:28 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

I also considered that. Hindus love to put those 5 elements everywhere. I was reading a book on Ayurveda and even food is classified like that. Sweet taste is water and earth, for example. :rolleye: Yes it’s quite common in the old texts. There is even a Upanishad that originates from the Buddha’s ...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:07 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 96
Views: 862

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

“There are these eight reasons, eight causes, Ānanda, for the occurrence of a great earthquake. Which eight? This great Earth, Ānanda, stands in the water, the water stands in the atmosphere, the atmosphere stands in space. There comes a time, Ānanda, when great winds blow, with the great winds blo...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:14 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: The Great Jhana Debate
Replies: 520
Views: 226083

Re: Ajahn Brahmavamso's Dark Jhana

Also take a look at MN 111 and AN 9.36. Those two suttas are especially clear about jhana not being a frozen stupor that one predetermines an amount of time to enter and emerge from before one can do vipassana WHILE in jhana (and the first 7 attainments). It's only the 8th and 9th attainment that r...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:58 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1779

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

For instance, once you have over 40 bhūmis, your school has a problem with scholasticism run amok. Hence I can no longer, after quite a bit of time and energy invested, call myself a "Lotus Buddhist." The Lotus Sutra is great, but it's not the bee's knees of Mahayana sutras. I just saw your respons...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1779

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

I’m curious, what kind of meditation is usually practiced in Madhyamaka? I don't know. I don't know if there is a "pure" tradition of strictly Madhyamaka meditation still. Certainly IMO Vens Vimalāksa, Bhāvaviveka, Āryadeva, and Nāgārjuna meditated in a tradition. Hopefully I am an indirect heir to...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:03 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1779

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

So I think we can answer the OP's inquiry at this point, but anyone feel free to disagree with me. As a "Theravādin," one can easily accept Ven Nagarjuna's arguments if you are willing to forsake the entire Abhidhammapiṭaka and all the commentaries of the Theras as well as the majority of the medit...