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by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:01 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

So, in your opinion, paramattha dhamma are paramattha because they are the same as their characteristic? It’s because they aren’t concepts that come from the synthesising mind. They aren’t mental constructs that can be broken down further under analysis, like a house or a car or a self is. They are...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:59 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can someone reconcile these two Buddhist concepts of self for me please
Replies: 34
Views: 543

Re: Can someone reconcile these two Buddhist concepts of self for me please

I think you are missing the point. The All is the Totality of what can be known, and it’s all empty of self. I think your mistaken the narrower context of "The All" for its broader one. Ven. Bodhi's citing Comy's explanation to address this exact point in "Connected Discourses": Spk: The all (sabba...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

But also the group of characteristics attributed to "apple" are real, so why consciousness yes and apple no? When I eat an apple the dhammas of hardness, taste, coldness etc are real. The “apple” is not. It’s a concept synthesised by the mind. It’s concept only. So, in your opinion, paramattha dham...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:50 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

That's the same thing you do with an apple. Only the number of characteristics changes, but in both cases you create a concept in order to name. When I read the four paramattha dhammas, I read concepts. Well paramattha dhamma is a concept. It’s a concept that relates to the real, as opposed to conc...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

That's the same thing you do with an apple. Only the number of characteristics changes, but in both cases you create a concept in order to name. When I read the four paramattha dhammas, I read concepts. Well paramattha dhamma is a concept. It’s a concept that relates to the real, as opposed to conc...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can someone reconcile these two Buddhist concepts of self for me please
Replies: 34
Views: 543

Re: Can someone reconcile these two Buddhist concepts of self for me please

You're simply proving my original point: non-self is clearly scoped for the Five Aggregates. So, I have to repeat,you''ll need to provide any exact quote that provides an explicit blanket statement saying there is absolutely no self whatsoever, in whatever way, shape, or form, at anywhere, any plac...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

How can you name the actual? When experiencing an actual, due to its defining characteristic a concept comes with sañña when it recognises the dhamma. That's the same thing you do with an apple. Only the number of characteristics changes, but in both cases you create a concept in order to name. Whe...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

AlexBrains92 wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:26 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:24 pm
AlexBrains92 wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:20 pm

Let's go further: why 'paramattha' dhamma?
To distinguish the actual from the conventional and conceptual.
How can you name the actual?
When experiencing an actual, due to its defining characteristic a concept comes with sañña when it recognises the dhamma.
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

"One" = "inherent"? :roll: “Inherent characteristic” or “intrinsic characteristic” simply means it’s defining characteristic or nature. That is all sabhāva means. Since consciousness has cognition as only characteristic, then we are simply talking about synonyms. You are right to notice that. The c...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can someone reconcile these two Buddhist concepts of self for me please
Replies: 34
Views: 543

Re: Can someone reconcile these two Buddhist concepts of self for me please

You're simply proving my original point: non-self is clearly scoped for the Five Aggregates. So, I have to repeat,you''ll need to provide any exact quote that provides an explicit blanket statement saying there is absolutely no self whatsoever, in whatever way, shape, or form, at anywhere, any plac...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

"One" = "inherent"? :roll: “Inherent characteristic” or “intrinsic characteristic” simply means it’s defining characteristic or nature that can’t be broken down further. That is all sabhāva means. Since consciousness has cognition as only characteristic, then we are simply talking about synonyms. Y...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:09 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can someone reconcile these two Buddhist concepts of self for me please
Replies: 34
Views: 543

Re: Can someone reconcile these two Buddhist concepts of self for me please

The relevant point that addresses the OP's inquiry is that there's nowhere in the suttas where there's an explicit blanket statement saying there is absolutely no self whatsoever, in whatever way, shape, or form, at anywhere, any place, any entity, any time. Feel free to provide any exact quotes to...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

Yes, so? Then you do in fact agree that consciousness has an intrinsic characteristic or nature, namely that of cognition and apart from this intrinsic characteristic we cannot speak of consciousness. Once again you are actually in agreement with the Abhidhamma and commentaries, since you have just...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:01 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

Nothing, so? How is this relevant with my point that also cognition is dependent on other, and therefore can't be really considered an inherent characteristic of consciousness? So you would then agree with me if I said that apart from cognition there is no consciousness or that the only characteris...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"
Replies: 190
Views: 1894

Re: "Is it possible to accept Nagarjuna's argument and remain a Theravadan?"

Cognition is also dependent on other, doesn't it? Yes, but you didn’t answer my question. Apart from cognition, what is there to consciousness? Nothing, so? How is this relevant with my point that also cognition is dependent on other, and therefore can't be really considered an inherent characteris...