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by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:00 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

tiltbillings wrote:
The developing child has the potential for clinging craving ignorance etc
Then you really have not dealt with babies, from newborns on. Lots of wanting. Lots.

I didnt state babies that have been born, im talking about the fetus


:namaste:
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:57 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Hi Craig But you wrote this: Ignorance, craving and clinging are not developed in the womb, its only when the child experiences sight, touch, smell etc that allows for the rising of consciousness and therefor contact to leads on to feeling, craving, clinging, becoming etc does dependent origination...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:52 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Craig: The Abhidhamma isnt completely wrong, its obvious it happens in moments all the time from the teachings of the suttas Are you sure about that? Absolutely, completely, without a doubt positive that that is the truly true truth of the matter? No because im not an arahant so there still is unkn...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:50 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Nathan Considering how you would like to do away with so much of the Tipitaka, how would you know what is or is not the Buddha's teaching or even how it is correctly applied? Because I follow this teaching "As for the qualities of which you may know, 'These qualities lead to utter disenchantment, to...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:43 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Craig: Dependent origination happens in flashes

That is an Abhidhamma teaching, not a sutta teaching.

The Abhidhamma isnt completely wrong, its obvious it happens in moments all the time from the teachings of the suttas
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:41 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Nathan, Thanks :) I hesitated because I wasn't sure if it was specific to Mahayana. An even more simple example of the complexity of consciousness is human beings when they're asleep and dreaming. There's a lack of sensory input from outside, yet the mind has vivid experiences. This is because ther...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:40 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Yes this is so, and Craig's comment about consciousness is not even true of human beings in the context of the ongoing functionality of consciousness.

Nathan I quoted well within line of the Suttas and the Buddhas teachings so its not me you disagree with
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:38 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Hi Craig, Birth isn't the cause of craving. Craving is the cause of birth. You're reverting back to the argument that it's all dependent upon rupa. Following this logic, then birth is the cause of dukkha and death is the cessation. If this is so, why did the Buddha go to so much trouble and teach s...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:27 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Contact leads to craving Craving leads to clinging Clinging leads to becoming Becoming leads to birth Sorry, but the Buddha did not teach that. He taught this: From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. From craving as a requisite condi...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:27 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Greetings
Replies: 13
Views: 2847

Re: Greetings

Hey there welcome along

:hello:

:namaste:
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:26 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Collective Kamma
Replies: 16
Views: 3893

Re: Collective Kamma

Buddha states being are owners of their kamma.

If there is collectice kamma no one can reach nibbana since there would always be someone else to hold one back



:namaste:
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:03 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

'He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.' Thus was it said. With reference to what was it said? 'I am' is a construing. 'I am this' is a construing. 'I shall be' is a construing. 'I shall no...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:41 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

Peter what is the origin of identity? ..It is craving which brings renewal of being, is accompanied by delight and lust and delights in this and that, that is craving for sensual desire, craving for being and craving for non being Is there not craving all the time in life, not just once in one life ...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:38 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

So, Anuruddha, it is not for the purpose of scheming to deceive people or for the purpose of flattering people or for the purpose of gain, honour and renown or with the thought "Let people know me to be thus" that when a disciple had died, the Tathagata declares his reapperance thus: So and so has ...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:08 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: The Danger of Rebirth
Replies: 588
Views: 59951

Re: The Danger of Rebirth

It doesnt say rebirth though it says jati, birth, you have put rebirth in ... For the jati description, the "In a womb" has been added, the line states birth not rebirth? So what? The points I made do not change. I even put it in quotes to make you feel better. You are really very hung up on the wo...