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by Grigoris
Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

If the question is important to you, then it is necessarily a moral issue. Not necessarily. I'm interested in why objects fall down when dropped. No moral aspect to this question, but it's a prominent feature of my environment. Basically it is a moot question. In Buddhism there is no beginning, so ...
by Grigoris
Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

Please tell me how I answered my own question...that question being "why do you recommend I go study some?" I still have no idea why you made the unsolicited recommendation. chownah On page 1 you said: Can you show me this extremely nuanced analysis? And I answered. Thus my recommendation was not u...
by Grigoris
Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

Let me clarify why I keep using the word "praxis". Buddhism's explanation of the functioning of mind comes through internal practical observation and insight (through yogic practice). It is not a theory of mind, like philosophies tend to be. At the same time it is not just a scientific observation o...
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

Zom wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:54 pm
I did not posit that the nature of mind is unconditioned
But you did: "If the ultimate (which implies unconditioned) nature...".
Still beating the straw man, huh? And cherry picking too...

Don't mind me, please don't let me interrupt your conversation with yourself.
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

If the ultimate (which implies unconditioned) nature of mind is suffering, that means that it cannot be altered since it is not dependent on causes and conditions. In which case suffering is/was/will be forever. If the nature of mind is unconditioned, then it is impossible to change the mind, to cl...
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:49 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

If the ultimate (which implies unconditioned) nature of mind is suffering, that means that it cannot be altered since it is not dependent on causes and conditions. In which case suffering is/was/will be forever. How is it that liberation is possible then? Suffering would be forever only if the mind...
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

If we can't, then I wonder how anyone (yourself included) made any progress in that direction. By using their terms since some of them are essentially untranslatable. The old problem of induction would suggest that this tells us little of whether such a thing actually exists, though; and far less o...
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:37 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

That would mean that liberation is unattainable. exactly the opposite If the ultimate (which implies unconditioned) nature of mind is suffering, that means that it cannot be altered since it is not dependent on causes and conditions. In which case suffering is/was/will be forever. How is it that li...
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

Zom wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:54 pmThe ultimate nature of mind is suffering...
That would mean that liberation is unattainable.
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:08 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

In contrast, in Buddhism, we get a standard formula like this: “From an inconceivable beginning comes the wandering-on. A beginning point is not discernible , though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN15_9....
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

I hadn't considered that I had moved the goalposts.....maybe I moved them out of the clinic and into the paddy....is this a good thing or a bad thing? "Moving the goal posts" means that you have shifted the topic slightly away from it's original subject. It has nothing to do with rice paddies and c...
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

to mean that in the West, we somehow lack the mental tools or the language to deal with or understand what some non-Western Buddhists mean when they talk about mind. Yes, we lack the language. How many terms for mind are you aware of in English? ...there has been a tradition of extremely detailed a...
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

I'm a rice farmer. I don't think that buddhism has an extremely nuanced analysis of mind so I guess we disagree. Can you show me this extremely nuanced analysis? All I have seen so far are things like "we call it consciousness because it cognizes" and "we call it perception because it perceives whi...
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:11 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

The West does have a tradition of an extremely nuanced philosophy of mind, so I suggest that the problems occur when insufficient attention is paid to correct terminology. I'm a clinical psychologist. The West does not have an extremely nuanced ANALYSIS of mind, not like Buddhism. Buddhism is not a...
by Grigoris
Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.
Replies: 92
Views: 4798

Re: All attachment and suffering are fundamentally voluntary.

The ultimate nature of the mind is unconditioned. It cannot be compelled by any factor. In particular, it cannot be compelled to attach. Where did you get this idea from? It sounds like random amateur philosophy. I'm pretty sure that's not the Buddha's Dhamma. In the Mahayana we talk about the Tath...