Dhamma Wheel

Did the Buddha say that after the onset of the final nibbana without the rest of the fuel, any consciousness continues? No. Such a consciousness is fictional.

unconditioned consciousness remains Atman? It is the Unformed, the Unconditioned , the End, ~ S 43.1-44 "And what, bhikkhus, is the unconditioned? The destruction of lust, the destruction of hatred, the destruction of delusion: this is called the unconditioned". SN 43.1 *** Consciousness is imperma...

cappuccino wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:26 pmunconditioned consciousness remains

Atman?

It's just an idiom, meaning "rooting the mind in mindfulness."

SarathW wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:26 pmI understand all except that eye etc and its objects are suffering.

This means: they cause suffering. When something is visible, audible, etc. causes unpleasant feelings.

cappuccino wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:24 pm the quote is concerning human monks

I know.

cappuccino wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:10 pm

Antaradhana wrote: It means touching the mind (meaning mental body) to nibbana.

there is no mental body, you're not making sense

Yeah, they're in the meat body in rupa-jhana. And they touch the deathless element with their palm

Consciousness without feature, without end, luminous all around Nibbana is not viññāṇa. Really, it just isn’t. K those who dwell touching the deathless element with the body. Cunda Sutta It means touching the mind (meaning mental body) to nibbana. The deathless element is one of the poetic epithets...

cappuccino wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:29 pmConsciousness without feature,
without end,
luminous all around

https://sujato.wordpress.com/2011/05/13 ... ust-isn’t/

cappuccino wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:23 pmyou've gone all in about annihilation

You inappropriately use the term "annihilation." It is appropriate to use it only in relation to a constantly existing entity, and in relation to changing phenomena that arise as one and disappear as the other, it is inappropriate to use it.

cappuccino wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:17 pm you're still proposing annihilation

Not. You do not understand. Without the addition of fuel (tanha), the fire is extinguished, only residual fuel (khandhas formed by past kamma) dies down. With the end of life 5 khandha finally fall apart, only bodily remains remain.

In the final nibbana without fuel residue, consciousness ceases completely. this is called annihilationism See If I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self — were to answer that there is no self, that would be conforming with those brahmans & contemplatives who are exponents o...

cappuccino wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:34 pm

that is the pleasure

there is pleasure so it's not annihilation

The sutta gives an example from nirodha samapatti. In the final nibbana without fuel residue, consciousness ceases completely.

auto wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:43 pmso that it would be crystal clear what self is getting ceased in parinibbana.

The self does not cease in nibbana, the self is absent from the beginning, there are only false ideas about the self.

"I have heard that on one occasion Ven. Sariputta was staying near Rajagaha in the Bamboo Grove, the Squirrels’ Feeding Sanctuary. There he said to the monks, “This Unbinding is pleasant, friends. This Unbinding is pleasant.” When this was said, Ven. Udayin said to Ven. Sariputta, “But what is the ...