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by binocular
Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:25 am
Forum: Dhammaduta (Dhamma propagation)
Topic: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants
Replies: 105
Views: 11136

Re: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants

Buddhist communities are sometimes visited by people who aren't worthy to be talked to. What does it look like, in practice, in terms of Dhamma propagation, to "kill" those people? The sutta is a description, not a prescription. It's not giving directions as to what Buddhist communities should do, ...
by binocular
Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:17 am
Forum: Dhammaduta (Dhamma propagation)
Topic: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants
Replies: 105
Views: 11136

Re: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants

You're intentionally being disruptive/polemical... and partially quoting a sutta, out of its context. I reported this, nothing happened, the report was closed. So your post is fair game: So you are the authority over my mind? You are the one who decides what my intentions are? Really? Thank you for...
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:46 pm
Forum: Dhammaduta (Dhamma propagation)
Topic: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants
Replies: 105
Views: 11136

Re: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants

confusedlayman wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:20 pmthis thread is not fit to be answered by me as it is only partial sutta and out of context
Notice the " " around the word killing.
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:43 pm
Forum: Dhammaduta (Dhamma propagation)
Topic: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants
Replies: 105
Views: 11136

Re: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants

Sam Vara wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:33 pmLack of understanding is tolerated - why would it not be?
Blimey, I didn't get that impression.
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:15 pm
Forum: Dhammaduta (Dhamma propagation)
Topic: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants
Replies: 105
Views: 11136

Re: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants

Sam Vara wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:17 pmIf you treated Matthew 5.29 in a similar way, you wouldn't be binocular any more.
How is that relevant? It only makes sense that communities get rid of the misfits, and the communities certainly don't experience this is as giving up something valuable.
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:13 pm
Forum: Dhammaduta (Dhamma propagation)
Topic: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants
Replies: 105
Views: 11136

Re: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants

I mean, what do Buddhist communities do with people who "just don't seem to get it", but who nevertheless visit those Buddhist communities?

On Buddhist forums, such people are sometimes called trolls and banned. What about IRL groups?
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:07 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?
Replies: 33
Views: 1885

Re: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?

Cannot confirm that. Could you please provide a quote? "And if a tamable person doesn't submit either to a mild training or to a harsh training or to a mild & harsh training, what do you do?" "If a tamable person doesn't submit either to a mild training or to a harsh training or to a mild & harsh t...
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 783
Views: 41316

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

But in religious matters, this kind of common-sensical everyday type of trust is not enough anymore. In the face of competing religious doctrines, we want certainty, we need certainty in order to be able to decide among those doctrines. The first question is to decide what sort of certainty is usef...
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:38 pm
Forum: Dhammaduta (Dhamma propagation)
Topic: "Killing" the unworthy aspirants
Replies: 105
Views: 11136

"Killing" the unworthy aspirants

So how does this work out in the practice of Dhamma propagation: "And if a tamable person doesn't submit either to a mild training or to a harsh training or to a mild & harsh training, what do you do?" "If a tamable person doesn't submit either to a mild training or to a harsh training or to a mild ...
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?
Replies: 33
Views: 1885

Re: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?

SteRo wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:22 pmWhile "too much dust in her eyes" is an expression taken from doctrine "should just bugger off" isn't but seems to be an expression of annoyance and/or aversion.
The doctrinal term is "to kill" someone who isn't good enough. I used a colloquial, less harsh version.
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?
Replies: 33
Views: 1885

Re: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?

At a few places in the suttas, variant factors of stream winning are outlined - here is an example Stream winning comes much later from what the OP is about! I'm talking about that basic faith that is needed for some rudimentary involvement with Theravada, long before one has come to any attainment.
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 783
Views: 41316

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

This is trivially true, though. Anything that is less than direct, first-person evidence is not reliable. This is not such a problem in everyday life ; e.g. we trust that the posted speed limit signs were posted there by the government and not by people trying to prank others, getting them to overs...
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?
Replies: 33
Views: 1885

Re: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?

SteRo wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:07 pmAt first glance that seems to be a perfect reponse. However it does not solve the issue of binocular which is fundamental skepticism.
This whole thing could be cut short by telling binocular that she simply has too much dust in her eyes and that she should just bugger off.
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?
Replies: 33
Views: 1885

Re: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?

Increase your good qualities and reduce the bad ones. That is the minimum you need to know to get started. If you are inclined towards prayer it is true that "thank you" is enough and goes a long way. Be willing to be changed for the better. As long as you are conscious you are on your own path and...
by binocular
Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?
Replies: 33
Views: 1885

Re: Can the path of Theravada be entered at will?

SteRo wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:07 pmBecause in order to practice one or both of these approaches there first has to be faith.
I suffer, but this doesn't give me faith in the Buddha, Dhamma, and Sangha.
IOW, this one counterexample is enough to show that suffering itself is not sufficient for faith.