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by rhinoceroshorn
Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:25 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Space depends on what?
Replies: 59
Views: 621

Re: Space depends on what?

I got your point but it was not really greed of Brahmas what made the cosmos expand. This is just the natural process of the universe: alternation between retraction/destruction and expansion/evolution. The sutta says it was loss of merit or lifespan what made them fall from rupaloka. There is no gr...
by rhinoceroshorn
Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:08 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Space depends on what?
Replies: 59
Views: 621

Re: Space depends on what?

It literally says stars and constellations appeared.. and the other sutta I linked talks about galactic supercluster systems and such. Yes, because beings descended from the Brahma realm. They were self-luminous, so they didn't need stars. :tongue: It seems, though, all the universe collapses toget...
by rhinoceroshorn
Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:23 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Space depends on what?
Replies: 59
Views: 621

Re: Space depends on what?

... Actually, Aggañña sutta talks more about Earth, imo. It literally says stars and constellations appeared.. and the other sutta I linked talks about galactic supercluster systems and such. Yes, because beings descended from the Brahma realm. They were self-luminous, so they didn't need stars. :t...
by rhinoceroshorn
Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:58 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Space depends on what?
Replies: 59
Views: 621

Re: Space depends on what?

coconut wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:54 am ...
Actually, Aggañña sutta talks more about Earth, imo.
by rhinoceroshorn
Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:52 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Space depends on what?
Replies: 59
Views: 621

Re: Space depends on what?

cold itself dont exist.. absence of heat is called cold But there is still heat in cold, just less. The same way, there is space in form, just underlying it. If you remove form, aha!! Space. I don't think it's a matter of perception since it is an objective reality for everyone. I, you, my cat and ...
by rhinoceroshorn
Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:25 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Space depends on what?
Replies: 59
Views: 621

Re: Space depends on what?

If all forms disappeared, space would still exist, even if it could not be discerned. I don't see anything on which space depends to exist. Why isn't space unconditioned? :shrug: Interestingly, space is an element in some traditions. It's partly a question of definition, I think. Is space a thing i...
by rhinoceroshorn
Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:13 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Space depends on what?
Replies: 59
Views: 621

Re: Space depends on what?

The infinitude of Space must be understood as a NEAR UNCOMPREHENSIBLE - it can and cannot be fathomed. It can be fathomed by the intuitive mind - and it is only conditioned by the nearest possible form. That's the point. It can only be conditioned if there is a conditioned thing present, but withou...
by rhinoceroshorn
Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:03 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Space depends on what?
Replies: 59
Views: 621

Re: Space depends on what?

Yes, I had sarvastivada in mind when I wrote the post.
I thought Einstein's relativity debunked the unconditionality of space since it can be distorted by celestial bodies, but it doesn't really imply space is conditioned, but only that it can... be deformed. :)
by rhinoceroshorn
Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:51 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Space depends on what?
Replies: 59
Views: 621

Space depends on what?

If all forms disappeared, space would still exist, even if it could not be discerned.
I don't see anything on which space depends to exist.
Why isn't space unconditioned? :shrug:
by rhinoceroshorn
Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:17 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 104
Views: 1333

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

Yes, the explanation about earthquakes is in Dirgha Agama. I'm sorry, I trusted Dan74 too much instead of checking the source. :anjali: https://i.imgur.com/hsZdBkx.png It's the second sūtra, for who is interested in it. Download it here: https://bdkamerica.org/product/the-canonical-book-of-the-buddh...
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:08 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 104
Views: 1333

Re: DN16: How to explain this explanation about earthquakes?

If you take the stance that the explanation is wrong, then your mind is closed. That is not the right approach to improve one's understanding of the texts. ... This was already refuted. https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?p=90489#p90489 Actually, I think it's very good advice. I don't agree w...
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:38 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 104
Views: 1333

Re: DN16: How to explain this explanation about earthquakes?

cappuccino wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:34 pm
rhinoceroshorn wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:18 pm This was already refuted.
why is it important?
It's not.
The important thing is ending our suffering, though this mistake in the sutta made me suffer. :jumping:
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:18 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 104
Views: 1333

Re: DN16: How to explain this explanation about earthquakes?

If you take the stance that the explanation is wrong, then your mind is closed. That is not the right approach to improve one's understanding of the texts. 171. “There are eight root causes, eight conditions, Ānanda, for the appearance of a mighty earthquake. What eight? This great earth, Ānanda, i...
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:28 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 104
Views: 1333

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

confusedlayman wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:23 pm Dalai Lama says if science proves buddhism is wrong then we need to adopt to science. but geologist itself not always sure why tectonic plates move?
I kinda agree with His Holiness.
We must use the suttas to help with our suffering. This is where they are effective. :anjali:
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:25 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?
Replies: 104
Views: 1333

Re: DN16: How to explain this WRONG explanation about earthquakes?

I don't know what are the implications of existing anything beyond samsara and nibbana TBH. It probably opens spurious interpretations about God or the like. Who knows? DO begins in ignorance... What possibly originated it? Well in the Dhamma the Sabbaṃ is the epistemological limit. The vision and ...