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by rhinoceroshorn
Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:12 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

If there is no consciousness, then there is no difference between deep sleep, syncope, and Nirodha.
You are just equating a superhuman state to an ordinary experience.
by rhinoceroshorn
Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:03 pm
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: Advice regarding donning robes
Replies: 9
Views: 5727

Re: Advice regarding donning robes

Lucas Oliveira wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:20 pm Buddhist Monks Around The World



:anjali:
I liked the Korean one.

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Mahayanists are very fashionable. :sage:
by rhinoceroshorn
Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:56 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

Explain how Ven. Śariputta was able to distinguish the clearness of Nirodha Samāpatti. You cant. There must be a trace of consciousness. through retrospective discernment. "This body must lose three things before it lies forsaken, tossed aside like an insentient log: vitality , warmth , and conscio...
by rhinoceroshorn
Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:39 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

question: if there is neither perception nor feeling, what might one be conscious of? I don't know, that's why I'm asking. :tongue: if you can´t think of anything one might be conscious of if there is neither perception nor feeling but you are asking nevertheless then that´s either trolling or irra...
by rhinoceroshorn
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:50 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

We have a deep disagreement here. - Śariputta never talked about unconsciousness - Buddhaghosa talked about unconsciousness - If it were the case, why would not Venerable Śariputta explicitly says 'he is not conscious' or something like that? Why using vippasannāni? question: if there is neither pe...
by rhinoceroshorn
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:47 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

3. Therefore, when non-Aryians read AN 9.34, because a non-Aryian has not tasted the freedom of Nibbana, they might believe Nibbana is the Cessation of Perception & Feeling (which is a state of unconsciousness ; compared to a corpse in MN 43 ). MN 43 "What is the difference between one who is dead,...
by rhinoceroshorn
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:34 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

We have a deep disagreement here.
- Śariputta never talked about unconsciousness
- Buddhaghosa talked about unconsciousness
- If it were the case, why would not Venerable Śariputta explicitly says 'he is not conscious' or something like that? Why using vippasannāni?
by rhinoceroshorn
Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:46 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

Nirodha Samapatti is the cessation of perception and feeling. Not the cessation of experience. By definition, sense consciousness (as a technical term) has ceased. This means contact with sense objects is not the case. However the faculties remain (they simply don’t register feeling or perception)....
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:56 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

Nirodha Samapatti is the cessation of perception and feeling. Not the cessation of experience. By definition, sense consciousness (as a technical term) has ceased. This means contact with sense objects is not the case. However the faculties remain (they simply don’t register feeling or perception)....
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:31 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

When a mendicant has attained the cessation of perception and feeling, their physical, verbal, and mental processes have ceased and stilled. But their vitality is not spent; their warmth is not dissipated; and their faculties are very clear. Yo cāyaṃ bhikkhu saññāvedayitanirodhaṃ samāpanno tassapi ...
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:58 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

Zom wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:21 pm
Nirodha seems to be a very obscure "jhāna".
Nirodha is actual real nibbana. Consciousness ends there, and because it ends, one becomes anagami or arahant after he achieved that.
Please explain how faculties are clear in Nirodha without consciousness.
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:57 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

I dont know im not clear im actuaally not that stage.. Im not advance practitoner It's fine, my friend. I have been reading some threads and this seems to be a confusing topic. DooDoot made the same question some time ago: https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=32111 Venerable Dhammanando cor...
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:38 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

Hello my friends. Help me understand this part of MN43: "When someone dies, their physical, verbal, and mental processes have ceased and stilled; their vitality is spent; their warmth is dissipated; and their faculties have disintegrated. When a mendicant has attained the cessation of perception an...
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:09 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samapatti?

Another question: can one exit NS at will?
Some sources say you must predetermine the exit time during the 8th jhāna. How does this work? :thinking:
by rhinoceroshorn
Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:02 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?
Replies: 89
Views: 80209

Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

Hello my friends. Help me understand this part of MN43: "When someone dies, their physical, verbal, and mental processes have ceased and stilled; their vitality is spent; their warmth is dissipated; and their faculties have disintegrated. When a mendicant has attained the cessation of perception and...