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by seeker242
Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:24 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

“Reflecting: ‘As I am, so are they; As they are, so am I,’ Having taken oneself as the criterion, One should not kill or cause others to kill.” (Nālakasutta, Sn 705; cf. Dhp. 130) And extending that to also include "not cause any unnecessary harm" whether or not that harm is direct or indirect, is ...
by seeker242
Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:29 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

Greetings seeker242, So now we are bringing in what he said? In response to people claiming that taking the place of another is somehow out of order, yes. What he said directly contradicts the idea that it's somehow out of order. So is your position that you want to cite and emphasise the Buddha's ...
by seeker242
Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:27 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

In response to people claiming that taking the place of another is somehow out of order, yes. Hey, stop equivocating, you slippery eel. What was stated to be out of order was your attempt to quash discussion of what the Buddha said, and what he meant, on the subjects of vegetarianism and meat-eatin...
by seeker242
Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:18 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

Except, of course, for the carnivorous animals.... :thinking: Not really an exception. Carnivorous animals don't want to be killed and eaten either, which also includes great white sharks. :smile: They don't want to starve, either, which is why they don't want everyone to be vegetarian. If human be...
by seeker242
Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:46 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

Greetings seeker242, Like I said above, taking the place of another should not be considered strange, especially so when the Buddha himself said it's quite appropriate to do and should be done. So now we are bringing in what he said? In response to people claiming that taking the place of another i...
by seeker242
Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:35 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

The animals perspective is always going to be "I want everyone to be vegetarian". Except, of course, for the carnivorous animals.... :thinking: Not really an exception. Carnivorous animals don't want to be killed and eaten either, which also includes great white sharks. :smile: That might be the ca...
by seeker242
Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:57 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

The topic has nothing to do with what the Buddha intended or not intended to begin with so none of that is relevant. Eh? What the Buddha intended in his pronouncements on the subject of meat-eating and vegetarianism has nothing to do with a topic about vegetarianism on a Buddhist forum?? :? It's mo...
by seeker242
Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:45 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: the great vegetarian debate

It’s written in our inability to produce our essential amino acids - to mention nothing of a set of teeth evolved to rip meat off bone. One can easily obtain all essential amino acids from plants. From beans and whatnot - but why? Our teeth are designed to rip meat from bone? Why? Because animals d...
by seeker242
Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:11 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: the great vegetarian debate

It's about the attitude one should have toward food: Where is there written we have to eat meat? It’s written in our inability to produce our essential amino acids - to mention nothing of a set of teeth evolved to rip meat off bone. One can easily obtain all essential amino acids from plants.
by seeker242
Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:07 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

The animals do not care if you are intending to harm them or not. All they know is that they are being harmed. If you purchase meat, you are contributing to that. The piece of meat I buy does not care about harm. The carcus which the butcher cuts up to make portions of meat to sell does not care ab...
by seeker242
Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:05 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

Greetings seeker242, But they are. Arguing that it's perfectly fine to eat meat, is itself, arguing to the contrary because meat production and consumption equals creating unnecessary suffering. Therefore, arguing that it's perfectly fine to eat meat equals arguing it's perfectly fine to create unn...
by seeker242
Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:24 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

I have never spoken about animal rights and animal values, just about dont create unnecessary suffering in this world No one is arguing to the contrary. Metta :) But they are. Arguing that it's perfectly fine to eat meat, is itself, arguing to the contrary because meat production and consumption eq...
by seeker242
Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:54 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

If you are a person over the age of 5 you know for sure where the meat comes from and what will be the consequences of your actions, If your intention is to sustain the body then the intention to harm does not arise. .....and yet there is nothing in the suttas which indicates that eating meat conve...
by seeker242
Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:41 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

An example that I sometimes give to clarify this issue is this: Suppose a farmer grows cabbages, and shoots rabbits to protect those cabbages. Then he sells cabbages, rabbit pies, and gloves made from rabbit fur at the farm shop. Someone comes to the shop and buys cabbages, another buys rabbit pies...
by seeker242
Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:35 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5386
Views: 563263

Re: the great vegetarian debate

The problem is that people who like the taste of meat aren't really interested in a logical discussion of the ethics. We can make the understand if needed You did not respond to my point about buying fruit and vegetables being grown with the aid of pesticides, insecticides, and fertilisers. Insecti...