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by vinasp
Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:58 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 6924

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi everyone, The five aggregates subject to clinging are difficult to understand, but it is worth the effort. Here are two passages from the Middle Length Discourses. “Bhikkhus, when one does not know and see the eye as it actually is, when one does not know and see forms as they actually are, when ...
by vinasp
Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:52 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 6924

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi freedom, FREEDOM:- "The five aggregrates are the whole range of our experiences in the past, present or future. Whatever experience we cling to, that is the clinging agregrate. When we cling to form in the past, present or future (internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or superior, far o...
by vinasp
Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 6924

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi aflatun, Vincent:- "This liberated state of mind is described by the five aggregates." aflatun said:- "Thank you for the post Vincent. Could you expand on the bolded comment above? Where is the liberated mind described in terms of the five aggregates? Or did you mean something else?" I am not sur...
by vinasp
Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:08 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 6924

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi everyone. The Structure of the Five Aggregates Subject to Clinging. From the analysis of craving and clinging in MN 9 it may be that there are essentially only two kinds of clinging, clinging to sense-pleasures and clinging to views. Since the five aggregates subject to clinging can be understood...
by vinasp
Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 6924

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi everyone, Here we look at what is said about the five aggregates and the five aggregates subject to clinging, in SN 22.48. To simplify we consider only 'form'. “And what, bhikkhus, are the five aggregates? Whatever kind of form there is, whether past, future, or present, internal or external, gro...
by vinasp
Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 6924

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi everyone, Here is further evidence that my speculations may be along the right lines. When Dependent Origination is described in MN 9.38 craving is analysed into six kinds. Craving for forms, sounds, odours, flavours, tangibles, and craving for mind-objects. This craving must be the same as cravi...
by vinasp
Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 6924

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi JohnK, JohnK:- "Still seems to me that the object of past craving (insofar as we're talking about future aggregates) is craving toward the mental formation of an imagined future configuration of the aggregates; the actual future aggregates do not exist yet and so can't be the direct object of pre...
by vinasp
Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Nanavira on Sakkaya.
Replies: 0
Views: 682

Nanavira on Sakkaya.

Hi everyone, The five aggregates subject to clinging - these are also called 'identity' (sakkaya). The first fetter is called 'identity view' (sakkaya-ditthi). This 'identity view' is the same as 'identity'. A person comes to understand everything in relation to self. Everything is misunderstood in ...
by vinasp
Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Annihilation View - A New Interpretation.
Replies: 35
Views: 3387

Re: Annihilation View - A New Interpretation.

Hi Way-Farer, Sorry about my late reply. Thank you for the background information, and the link to your own work. I have downloaded a copy and it does seem to be interesting. I hope that I can find the time soon to read it carefully. I also see a problem with the 'annata' teaching. To cease assuming...
by vinasp
Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:16 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 6924

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi Sobhana, Sobhana:- "So, can you be totally free from suffering in this life?" In the context of the discourses, a worldling would say 'no' because he has not understood the four noble truths. He understands the five aggregates subject to clinging in a literal way, as this actual body and mind. If...
by vinasp
Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 6924

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi JohnK, This is a difficult topic and any alternative interpretation to the 'mainstream' should be regarded as tentative. One problem is what it means when aggregates are said to be 'subject to clinging.' The term 'upadana' is a difficult one, it can mean clinging, grasping, taking-up, and even fu...
by vinasp
Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"
Replies: 35
Views: 6924

Re: The meaning of "aggregates subject to clinging are suffering"

Hi sobhana, Here I attempt to answer some of your questions, but not in the order in which you asked them. Sobhana:- "Why didn't the Buddha just say: aggregates are suffering?" Because that would be open to only one interpretation, that there is no way for suffering to end within this present life, ...
by vinasp
Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Annihilation View - A New Interpretation.
Replies: 35
Views: 3387

Re: Annihilation View - A New Interpretation.

Hi everyone, “Mālunkyāputta, if there is the view ‘the soul is the same as the body,’ the holy life cannot be lived; and if there is the view ‘the soul is one thing and the body another,’ the holy life cannot be lived. Whether there is the view ‘the soul is the same as the body’ or the view ‘the sou...
by vinasp
Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:18 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Annihilation View - A New Interpretation.
Replies: 35
Views: 3387

Re: Annihilation View - A New Interpretation.

Hi everyone, Are the aggregates a self, or not? The five clinging aggregates are not a substance self, but they are a process self. The five aggregates are not a substance person, but they are a process person. The five aggregates are one process, the five clinging aggregates are another process. Th...
by vinasp
Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Annihilation View - A New Interpretation.
Replies: 35
Views: 3387

Re: Annihilation View - A New Interpretation.

Hi everyone, The Potthapada Sutta. Why does the Buddha give this teaching about acquired selves? Modern philosophy recognizes two ways to understand a self. One is the idea of an unchanging persisting substance, the other is as a group of constantly changing mental elements. The first is called a 's...