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by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 4:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
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Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

A sense of self only occurs when the underlying tendencies, the taints, become activated through ignorance based contact: "When the uninstructed worldling is contacted by a feeling born of ignorance-contact, ‘I am’ occurs to him; ‘I am this’ occurs to him; ‘I will be’ and ‘I will not be,’ and ‘I wi...
by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 4:22 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

Yes, and it stays around after that. Again vipassana is not the same thing as vitakka-vicara. Just as the piti-sukha in second has removed the support struts of vitakka-vicara for its sustenance and is dependent on samadhi, so too with vipassana. I never said it was. Vipassana is not a "thing". It ...
by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 4:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

... The Vism. states here that only the non-returner and Arahant have achieved the Higher Mind: 14. [6] Likewise the reason for the states of stream-entry and once-return is shown by virtue; that for the state of non-return, by concentration; that for Arahantship by understanding. For the stream-en...
by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 4:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
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Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

That no sense of self exists while in jhana "There is the case, Ananda, where a disciple of the noble ones considers this: 'Sensuality here & now; sensuality in lives to come; sensual perceptions here & now; sensual perceptions in lives to come; forms here & now; forms in lives to come; form-percep...
by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 2:57 pm
Forum: Dhammic Stories
Topic: Buddha quotes site
Replies: 11
Views: 265

Re: Buddha quotes site

That page is appalling.
by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 2:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

... The Vism. states here that only the non-returner and Arahant have achieved the Higher Mind: 14. [6] Likewise the reason for the states of stream-entry and once-return is shown by virtue; that for the state of non-return, by concentration; that for Arahantship by understanding. For the stream-en...
by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 12:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
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Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

And that 'experience' is of a memory of samadhi? The experience is Jhāna. Upon leaving there is wise reflection upon said state. See my last comment in my post above. Memory is of course involved. Which links are not directly experienced? Why should this matter? No one who has understood paṭiccasam...
by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 12:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

“ Could it be, sir, that a mendicant might gain a state of immersion like this? They wouldn’t perceive earth in earth, water in water, fire in fire, or air in air. And they wouldn’t perceive the dimension of infinite space in the dimension of infinite space, the dimension of infinite consciousness ...
by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 11:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

So if I'm understanding hard jhana rightly... One has to leave behind Right Samadhi (assuming hard jhana is Right)... retrospectively examine the jhana that is no longer in ones awareness (you could argue it never was) and uses the fabricated memory of what has been but is no longer... to gain insi...
by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 11:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

So you're saying that having the thoughts of letting go because of insight into the three marks takes you farther away from concentration? You do not think "now I will let go". You just let go after insight (which is the result of discursive thought) due to understanding (pañña). In MN 19 there is ...
by Ceisiwr
Sat May 08, 2021 10:08 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

And another interesting question: If you believe insight occurs after jhana, then why not just develop samadhi to the same level as post-jhana samadhi and use that for insight practice? If you believe insight occurs outside of jhana then you must also either believe: 1. You can develop samadhi of t...
by Ceisiwr
Fri May 07, 2021 12:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

Oh so you argued that with dry insight one can still attain enlightenment, didn't you ? No. Did I misunderstood you or not ? It seems so. And What Do you think is it much easier to do vippassana in a state with hindrances or in a state without hindrances ? There will be some insight prior to the hi...
by Ceisiwr
Fri May 07, 2021 12:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

The Buddha has said that one would be better off considering the body as self because at least the body (ie. form) lasts up to one hundred years. It's not the kāya-aggregate. It's the rūpa-aggregate. As MN 28 shows, the rūpa-aggregate refers to any object of the 6th senses. In the Jhāna the 5 aggre...
by Ceisiwr
Fri May 07, 2021 11:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

... So where does one do vippassana in access or in jhana ? Insight occurs upon leaving access or the jhāna. For example, to achieve access or jhāna there has to be a letting go. There is a natural flow of conditions, without a "self" or controller there. If we stick to access concentration, upon l...
by Ceisiwr
Fri May 07, 2021 11:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 172
Views: 2058

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

Again, MN 20 would beg to differ. This is so dumb it's ridiculous. You know what the problem is? You're still subdividing what I call the first jhana into access concentration and absorption, which I don't do and for various reasons I argue against. A sotāpanna has practiced the Noble Eightfold Pat...