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by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 4:45 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 747
Views: 224364

Re: Jhana

auto wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:34 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:29 pm
auto wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm
One temporally shuts down senses and after emerging from said state can do vipassana.
Correct, yes. The 5 senses at least.
that's what i thought, you were thinking something else than what you actually wrote.
I think you misunderstood my post. I was criticising yours.
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 4:29 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 747
Views: 224364

Re: Jhana

auto wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:27 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 4:14 pm A bit hard for the underlying tendencies to be activated via vision if one is not seeing anything.
One temporally shuts down senses and after emerging from said state can do vipassana.
Correct, yes. The 5 senses at least.
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 4:28 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoherence (
Replies: 170
Views: 1812

Re: suttas where mind and body (31 body parts of meditator) dichotomy is incontrovertible, exposing Abhidhamma incoheren

It's worth pointing out not everyone who thinks kāya can have different meanings other than "physical body" are all Abhidhamma followers and apologists.
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 4:14 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 747
Views: 224364

Re: Jhana

That is sense restraint. Something that needs to be practised for some time before there can be any jhānā. i'm coming back to this reply. If the faculty of sight were left unrestrained, bad unskillful qualities of desire and aversion would become overwhelming. For this reason, they practice restrai...
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 3:29 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 747
Views: 224364

Re: Jhana

tell me please what you mean by hard jhana I don't really like the term, but it means an absorbed state. also why quit work is dumb idea? why not live off from others who like to work and earn money? there are plenty and even monks return to make money(to say how much people like to earn money). Fo...
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 3:28 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as 'mi
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as

The Sarvāstivādins are thorough heresiologists more interested in rebuking the Mahāsāṃghikas than learning from them in my experience, Have you read much of their criticism of the Mahāsāṃghikas from the Abhidharma Mahāvibhāṣa Śāstra? Could reveal some things about their doctrine On page 106+ of Ven...
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 3:20 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 747
Views: 224364

Re: Jhana

auto wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 3:18 pm
quit your work.
That would be a dumb idea.
so how one goes blind by "When a mendicant sees a sight with their eyes, they don’t get caught up in the features and details."?
They don't.
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 3:14 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 747
Views: 224364

Re: Jhana

Yea but how much you have to post Suttas that Cesiwr would start read these few lines and discuss on these. Ceiswir behavior could piss anyone out, he will duck for a while, no replies whatso ever till this topic surfaces again so he can spout some nonsense before things get detailed. I reply at so...
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 3:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as 'mi
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as

The Sarvāstivādins are thorough heresiologists more interested in rebuking the Mahāsāṃghikas than learning from them in my experience, Have you read much of their criticism of the Mahāsāṃghikas from the Abhidharma Mahāvibhāṣa Śāstra? Could reveal some things about their doctrine. but it is possible...
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 2:49 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as 'mi
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as

There would be absolutely no way of knowing that AFAIK. Certainly the Mahavibhasa text itself and things like that post-date the third council, but who knows when people started believing such things before writing said treatise? Naturally there would have been monks and nun who believed such thing...
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 2:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as 'mi
Replies: 50
Views: 937

Re: DN 2: I perform a miracle, B. Sujato claims Buddha had an impoverished language and was forced to redefine 'body' as

The Pubbaseliya, a sub-sect of the Mahāsāṃghika, would take the opposite view. It's noteworthy that they seem to have been the only early Buddhist sub-sect of a tradition to have taken that position. The Vaibhasikas of the Sarvāstivāda have eye, ear, body, and mind-consciousness active in first dhy...
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 10:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Do arhants thought generate painful feeling ?
Replies: 77
Views: 789

Re: Do arhants thought generate painful feeling ?

I claimed misunderstanding. You claimed understanding but you haven't proved it. What I have previously said accords well with the suttas. The problem for your interpretation is that you have the Buddha simultaneously free from dukkha yet also experiencing it. Exactly Then why bring up wars etc? Th...
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 12:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Do arhants thought generate painful feeling ?
Replies: 77
Views: 789

Re: Do arhants thought generate painful feeling ?

I am somewhat confused by this conversation. Is pain (which arahants apparently feel) dukkha or not? If they [an arahant] feel a painful feeling, they feel it detached. dukkhañce vedanaṁ vedeti, visaṁyutto naṁ vedeti; https://suttacentral.net/mn140/en/sujato “Reverend Koṭṭhita, a perfected one shou...
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 12:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Do arhants thought generate painful feeling ?
Replies: 77
Views: 789

Re: Do arhants thought generate painful feeling ?

Not only Gautama, but many people grew old, got ill with excessive pain and died. But the Buddha abandoned all that so that didn't happen to the Buddha. Yet he complained of back pain and entered meditative states to escape said pain. He was therefore still experiencing old age and sickness, as wel...
by Ceisiwr
Tue May 04, 2021 12:07 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Do arhants thought generate painful feeling ?
Replies: 77
Views: 789

Re: Do arhants thought generate painful feeling ?

Not only Gautama, but many people grew old, got ill with excessive pain and died. But the Buddha abandoned all that so that didn't happen to the Buddha. Yet he complained of back pain and entered meditative states to escape said pain. He was therefore still experiencing old age and sickness, as wel...