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by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:37 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Upādāyarūpaṁ
Replies: 44
Views: 431

Re: Upādāyarūpaṁ

Spiny Norman wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:44 am I don't see why you should rule out "clingable form" if that's what the Pali suggests.
In fact, it appears the Pali might rule the above out, per my original post. Possibly the grammar experts can clarify.
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???
Replies: 20
Views: 293

Re: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???

Spiny Norman wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:32 am In my experience, chanting can be very beneficial, the important thing is to understand why one is chanting in a particular way.
Its also a good introduction into Pali.
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:29 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Upādāyarūpaṁ
Replies: 44
Views: 431

Re: Upādāyarūpaṁ

atipattoh wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:15 am Not sure if my English understanding of the word grasping is correct.
My point is if upādāyarūpaṁ means grasped-rupa then the other conditions would be spoken as upādāyanama, upādāyavinnana, upādāyasalayantana and upādāyaphassa. :smile:
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:11 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???
Replies: 20
Views: 293

Re: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???

Dhammavamsa wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:40 am certain people here
Sorry to get "personal" but since you joined this forum you seem to talk about other "people" ("selves") rather than the Teachings. Chanting is a way to learn the core Teachings.
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:22 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???
Replies: 19
Views: 497

Re: Translating "satipaṭṭhānānaṁ" in dative case ???

Dhammanando wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:14 am Nearly everyone I encounter...
Not here. Any MN 118 conviction will dismiss MN 10 & DN 22.
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???
Replies: 20
Views: 293

Re: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???

The main point here is: Chanting alone doesn't lead to Enlightenment. The below does not lead to enlightenment: Wow... Buddha's talks on heaven, hell, this world, another world, Asuras wars with Devas, Peta, how Devas visited Him for teachings, Mara army, Nagas and Supannas, Supernormal powers thro...
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???
Replies: 20
Views: 293

Re: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???

asahi wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:59 am Silabbata paramasa per your definition means that almost all wholesome action itself cant leads to liberation !

Silabbata paramasa doesnt mean you dont do things that dont lead to liberation ..
:goodpost:
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:04 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Upādāyarūpaṁ
Replies: 44
Views: 431

Re: Upādāyarūpaṁ

Grasping is not possible because: 1. Grasping arises at 9th condition. 2. No other conditions are called things subjected to grasping. I speculated about this below: Looking at the Pali, does upadayarupam mean something like "clingable form"? And if so, might the distinction be similar to SN 22.48, ...
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???
Replies: 20
Views: 293

Re: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???

Out of all his controversial teachings, this I can agree wholeheartedly. Buddhadasa was once the head monk of Southern Thailand in charge of monk instruction. His books fill one room in National Library. He translated many suttas. He represented Thailand at the 6th Buddhist Council. Most of his tea...
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:11 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: atthi natthi
Replies: 9
Views: 185

Re: atthi natthi

asahi wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:04 am atthi = there is
atthita & natthita are two wrong views in SN 12.15. why? :shrug:
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???
Replies: 20
Views: 293

Re: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???

Isn't chanting is a way of memorising and a way to communicated Dhamma? Correct. Certain individuals appear to believe the following is the essence of the Buddha-Dhamma: Wow... Buddha's talks on heaven, hell, this world, another world, Asuras wars with Devas, Peta, how Devas visited Him for teachin...
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:34 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: atthi natthi
Replies: 9
Views: 185

Re: atthi natthi

atthi and natthi appear to be generic non-Buddhist words found in the suttas for example, the terms atthatta and natthatta appear found only in SN 44.10, spoken by Vaccagotta for example, the terms atthita and natthita appear found only in SN 12.15, which appear to refer to two non-Buddhist doctrine...
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???
Replies: 20
Views: 293

Re: Is chanting clearly Silabbata Paramasa ???

Dear forum I read the following in the internet: Chanting don't make you a real Buddha follower. That's clearly Silabbata paramasa. ... That looks like ven. Buddhadasa's words: ... Crying out Buddham saranam gacchami and so on is just a ritual, a ceremony of entrance and is an external matter; it d...
by DooDoot
Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:17 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: anattā”ti and natthattā”ti
Replies: 22
Views: 370

Re: anattā”ti and natthattā”ti

Your suggestion is self-contradictory as expressed there (nothing that is taken to be real can be meaningfully said to not exist) but thanks anyway. It appears the term "natthatta" is found in one place in the suttas, spoken or invented by Vacchagotta. You appear to be treating Vacchagotta terminol...
by DooDoot
Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:27 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Pali Terms: Cakkhu, Sota, Ghāna, Jivhā, Kāya, Mano
Replies: 20
Views: 10852

Re: Pali Terms: Cakkhu, Sota, Ghāna, Jivhā, Kāya, Mano

Close. Nāmarūpa doesn’t mean “eye, nose”‘etc. It’s means “designation & appearance” as per the Upanishads, where the Buddha got the concept from. See DN 15. Its in the Abhidhamma commentaries where nāmarūpa means “mind and matter”. SN 12, the Nidanasamyutta, is the main treatment of DO in the sutta...