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by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta
Replies: 56
Views: 672

Re: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta

… Quite mistaken. There is the case where a monk is wholly accomplished in virtue, moderately accomplished in concentration, and moderately accomplished in discernment. With reference to the lesser and minor training rules, he falls into offenses and rehabilitates himself. Why is that? Because I ha...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Classical Theravada, the Realist Buddhism
Replies: 3
Views: 76

Re: Classical Theravada, the Realist Buddhism

And again, if this is wrong, and all is mind: tired of being poor and needing to buy food? If it’s in your mind, make money appear, if objective reality doesn’t exist, you don’t need food and can live without it. You can’t do either of these things, so this position is silliness. If believing and p...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Classical Theravada, the Realist Buddhism
Replies: 3
Views: 76

Re: Classical Theravada, the Realist Buddhism

I think you might be confusing Solipsism with Representationalism and Idealism. They aren’t synonyms. For example, someone can be a Representationalist without being an Idealist or Solipsistic. Likewise someone can be an Idealist whilst accepting the existence of other minds. Berkeley did. He even a...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:54 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What sees?
Replies: 13
Views: 221

Re: What sees?

Cakkhu vinnana, eye consciousness. I thought it was sensitive matter? Interesting that Theravāda seems to agree with the Sautrāntikas here. If it is then visual consciousness which sees, aren’t we then greeted with a representationalist theory of cognition? That when I see a chair I’m actually seei...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:50 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What sees?
Replies: 13
Views: 221

What sees?

What exactly "sees" was one of the hotly debated topics among the early schools. Below is a brief outline of the Sarvāstivādin and Sautrāntika positions. The question of what actually constitutes the instrument through which we come to acquire knowledge of the external world is one of the important ...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:24 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Nāgārjuna and Momentariness
Replies: 21
Views: 379

Re: Nāgārjuna and Momentariness

Coëmgenu wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:34 am
Very interesting. Are there any clues as to which school the sutra he used belongs to?
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta
Replies: 56
Views: 672

Re: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta

Greetings, Stream-enterers don’t have any Jhana but have awakened to the path and have Right Concentration. This concentration is obviously looser or weaker than Jhana yet is Right. This is access concentration. You may argue about the name, but this is merely quibbling about terms. This makes no s...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:09 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta
Replies: 56
Views: 672

Re: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta

Stream-enterers don’t have any Jhana but have awakened to the path and have Right Concentration. This concentration is obviously looser or weaker than Jhana yet is Right. This is access concentration. You may argue about the name, but this is merely quibbling about terms. And no, I’m not a stream-en...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:15 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Nāgārjuna and Momentariness
Replies: 21
Views: 379

Nāgārjuna and Momentariness

Did Nāgārjuna accept momentariness?
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 273
Views: 4684

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Pulsar wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:06 pm
there is a greater pathology involved with Abhidhamma, that needs careful diagnosis.
Abhidhammikas aren’t suffering from a pathology.
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?
Replies: 233
Views: 3164

Re: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?

It's sort-of related. If the Dhamma(vinaya) itself is self-evidently and objectively utterly completely contained in the Pali suttas, then the Abhidhamma is completely superfluous, which is actually the argument I think several participants here make. They quote things like the quote that says some...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta
Replies: 56
Views: 672

Re: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta

Sooo... the Buddha's teaching was incomplete? No, but the suttas aren’t full recordings of debates and Dhamma talks. When the Buddha debated Brahmins and other ascetics do you think said debates were as short as we see in the suttas? That the Buddha’s opponents gave in so easily? No, they would hav...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta
Replies: 56
Views: 672

Re: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta

Regarding the Pudgalavādins, their concept of a “person” was that it wasn’t any kind of atta. It was more of a real paññatti. As such simply referring to suttas which deny an atta wouldn’t have been enough, despite this being an implication of their position. The counter argument would have to have ...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta
Replies: 56
Views: 672

Re: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta

I think the utter disrespect is to 'elucidate' the Buddha's teachings with the unutterable mess as seen above. Which enlightenment factor does the above trigger... joy? investigation of Dhamma? It's nonsense. Moggaliputta Tissa may or may not have been an Arahant. Theravada propaganda does not make...
by Ceisiwr
Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta
Replies: 56
Views: 672

Re: Kathavatthu vs. Vachagotta

Quite something to attack the most Venerable Moggaliputtatissa in this manner. Perhaps Pondera thinks he can argue better than the Venerable? So far the evidence is to the contrary.