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by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:40 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Koan and its relation to Theravada Tipitaka?
Replies: 13
Views: 192

Re: Koan and its relation to Theravada Tipitaka?

… I was thinking of this: “How, dear sir, did you cross the flood?” “By not halting, friend, and by not straining I crossed the flood.” “But how is it, dear sir, that by not halting and by not straining you crossed the flood?” “When I came to a standstill, friend, then I sank; but when I struggled,...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:38 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Koan and its relation to Theravada Tipitaka?
Replies: 13
Views: 192

Re: Koan and its relation to Theravada Tipitaka?

Read Ajahn Chah. He got the point. That's as good an entry point for a Theravadan as any. ‘If you can’t go forward and you can’t go back and you can’t stand still, where can you go?’ - Ajahn Chah. :sage: He was a gem. :bow: :bow: :bow: Mind you, that was an old Zen koan, SV. But Ajahn Chah, he was ...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:10 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Koan and its relation to Theravada Tipitaka?
Replies: 13
Views: 192

Re: Koan and its relation to Theravada Tipitaka?

The dude above commits many rookie errors. From mistranslating "Hinayana" as "Smaller/Lesser Vehicle" where "hina" is sadly much more negatively loaded, to more importantly construing Sunyata as "clearness" or "openness" which while being admirable qualities have nothing to do with Emptiness either...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 252
Views: 3609

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Y. Karunadasa on “derived rupa” in his book on the Abhidhamma (worth a read everyone).
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 252
Views: 3609

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

The mahabhuta seem to describe the kind of stuff things are made of. Hard stuff, runny stuff, hot stuff, etc. Rupa seems to describe how we actually experience stuff. The fact remains that the Buddha included the mahabhuta, and then made a distinction between those and rupa. With your interpretatio...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 252
Views: 3609

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

… Consider this sutta: Thus I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Rajagaha on Vulture’s Peak Mountain. Then early in the morning, Ven. Sariputta put on his robes and, carrying his bowl and outer robe, was coming down from Vulture’s Peak Mountain with a large group of mo...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 252
Views: 3609

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

If you’d like to see how easily a noumena or substance can turn into a self or being of sorts, read Schopenhauer. In Kant’s noumenon, the thing beyond the qualities, he said there was the “Will”, which he thought was similar to Brahman.
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:37 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 252
Views: 3609

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

I imagine the Buddha was just using the understanding of the time in relation to the elements. Whilst the concepts predate him he uses them in a much more phenomenalist manner. I don't see why using the mahabhuta would open up atta theories, since most "stuff" consists of a combination of elements,...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 252
Views: 3609

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

If the Buddha was a full phenomenalist, why did he bother to include the mahabhuta, which as you say, lend themselves to a nounenal interpretation? And taking this to its logical conclusion, why even bother with rupa, when he could have just talked about sense-objects? If you go for a swim, water i...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 252
Views: 3609

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

Sylvester puts forward the argument far better than I. Personally I agree with him, and I believe the Abhidhamma takes such a reading too which is why earth element is defined as “hardness” in the Abhidhamma. Hardness is a quality. In the Abhidhamma when we experience an apple all that we experience...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 252
Views: 3609

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

It’s worth noting that the mahabhuta started out as deities in the Upanishads, thus being rather abstract. The suttas that talk about internal elements in relation to organs are teaching which organs etc show the qualities of earth element etc. It’s a phenomenalist teaching. Phenomenalism is an emp...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:06 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma
Replies: 252
Views: 3609

Re: Retrofuturist's Brief Sutta-Based Refutation of Abhidhamma

It’s worth noting that the mahabhuta started out as deities in the Upanishads, thus being rather abstract. The suttas that talk about internal elements in relation to organs are teaching which organs etc show the qualities of earth element etc. It’s a phenomenalist teaching. Phenomenalism is an empi...
by Ceisiwr
Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:20 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Rāhula
Replies: 3
Views: 136

Re: Rāhula

This is interesting, since the Mahāsāṃghika tended to view the Buddha in more transcendental and less worldly ways. Having sex and becoming a father is quite human, and not quite what you would expect from a cosmic Buddha. The cosmic Buddha theme appears to be a late insertion . According to them t...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:32 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Rāhula
Replies: 3
Views: 136

Rāhula

I was just reading this sutra from the EA. It seems in the Mahāsāṃghika Rāhula was viewed as just a monk, rather than the Buddha's son. This is interesting, since the Mahāsāṃghika tended to view the Buddha in more transcendental and less worldly ways. Having sex and becoming a father is quite human,...