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by Ceisiwr
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Animal born without notion of self !
Replies: 16
Views: 278

Re: Animal born without notion of self !

asahi wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:35 am Oh i see , Ceisiwr said animals doesnt have a notion of self . Anyone else knows without notion of self how dependent origination of animals happens ?
That isn’t what I said.
by Ceisiwr
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:27 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Animal born without notion of self !
Replies: 16
Views: 278

Re: Animal born without notion of self !

asahi wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:11 am
Ceisiwr wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:09 amHe doesn’t.
Doesnt what ?
What you just asked in your OP.
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:36 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?
Replies: 233
Views: 3164

Re: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?

... Remembered where I read it: Note that these are rationalizing definitions, i.e. they are intended to distance nāmarūpa from magical/mystical thinking and show that they are amenable to rational, psychological analysis. They are part of a discourse, an argument spread over many centuries about t...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?
Replies: 233
Views: 3164

Re: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?

Sorry, doesn't really sound familiar. Thanks anyway! As i say I’ll dig it out when I’m home. I’m determined too now :jumping: Perhaps what you are objecting to is the observation that many modern commentators (including Bhikkhu Bodhi) make about the Abhidhamma/Commentary tendency to aim for complet...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:15 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 39
Views: 349

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

I have. But your too pedantic and dogmatic to realise. Every sensation you feel you also know it's you,and what the sensation could lead to. There is YOUR self. It's obvious to me,and most normal people. I’m afraid you haven’t. You’ve given assertions, circular reasoning and argumentum ad populum ....
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:10 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?
Replies: 233
Views: 3164

Re: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?

Srilankaputra wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:02 pm ...
Thanks. I had something else in mind but that’s interesting. It seems Sujato might be something of a Madhyamaka, of sorts.
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:05 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 39
Views: 349

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

Its both. I've just told you above what it is. Feigning confusion won't wash with me matey. How do you know your experiences are yours? What is that makes you know they are yours? Clue; identity . Your Self. How is it both feeling and that which feels? If it’s feeling, then the self rises and dies ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:59 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 39
Views: 349

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

You are the feeling. Its yours. That is the atta. You can have several feelings at once,all unified by being YOURS. The feelings are the self. Different states of the self. To me and most others it's self evident,and always is and has been,and will be. Sorry, I’m confused here. Is the atta feeling ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:38 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 39
Views: 349

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

You are the feeling. Its yours. That is the atta. You can have several feelings at once,all unified by being YOURS. The feelings are the self. Different states of the self. To me and most others it's self evident,and always is and has been,and will be. Sorry, I’m confused here. Is the atta feeling ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:31 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 39
Views: 349

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

Lol! So your telling me what my experience is? What are you,a priest!? This is your linguistic interpretation/confusion/dialectic Zero empiricism or personal experience in your statement. No. If you have directly experienced an atta then could you tell us what it is? How did you experience it? Wher...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:21 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 39
Views: 349

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

Lol! So your telling me what my experience is? What are you,a priest!? This is your linguistic interpretation/confusion/dialectic Zero empiricism or personal experience in your statement. No. If you have directly experienced an atta then could you tell us what it is? How did you experience it? Wher...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:16 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 39
Views: 349

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

The thing that unites buddhism and hinduism is Meditation as the tool for liberation. With this in mind,why do YOU think Hindu meditators come up with atman,and modern buddhists with anatman? A curious state of affairs. Said views arise from a certain types of reasoning, namely inductive reasoning ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:09 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.
Replies: 39
Views: 349

Re: Buddhism and Hinduism on Atman.

The thing that unites buddhism and hinduism is Meditation as the tool for liberation. With this in mind,why do YOU think Hindu meditators come up with atman,and modern buddhists with anatman? A curious state of affairs. Said views arise from a certain types of reasoning, namely inductive reasoning ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?
Replies: 233
Views: 3164

Re: Is it compulsory to accept Abhidhamma as a part of doctrine to be considered as Theravada?

The same however cannot be said for sectarian doctrines that the traditions composed themselves. Versions of the Vibhaṅga, Puggalapaññatti and I believe the Dhātukathā are found in other schools. Based on my reading so far most if not all of the early Buddhist schools, including those of the Mahāsā...