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zan wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:38 pmAs has been clearly demonstrated, there is nothing specific about the term "Theravada" that is relevant to the unordained, and these surely make up 99% or higher of users. My thread demonstrates this, and the general denigration of the only things that are considered "Theravada" by classical Theravadins, like the abhidhamma, commentaries, Visuddhimagga, and Abhidhamattha Sangaha, for example, takes place constantly on this forum,
That's most likely because the Thai Forest Tradition is one of the more influential Theravadin interpretations that has spread to the Western world for a variety of historical reasons, but even then, there are still vast differences between the Thai Forest Tradition and Mahayana. The doctrine of the Trikaya, the infallibility of the arhat, the Mahayana pantheon of Buddhas and bodhisattva, etc.
Ceisiwr wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:40 pm I don’t fancy a flood of socialist bodhisattvas.
The two forums seem to have vastly different temperaments.
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the general denigration of the only things that are considered "Theravada" by classical Theravadins, like the abhidhamma, commentaries, Visuddhimagga, and Abhidhamattha Sangaha, for example, takes place constantly on this forum, and things like the abhidhamma are disproven entirely here (except for a tiny minority who defend the classical, the vast majority refutes it and is the dominant voice
This can change. New members may join who support classical Theravada, and keeping the forum name as Theravada is helpful in attracting them.
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at least here, the suttas form the basis of many or most arguments
on the other forum, suttas are probably not considered authoritative because sūtras that entirely contradict them are considered valid.
i havent looked much at the other site but there is no early buddhism section.
for all its flaws, this site values authenticity
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

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This is not to gossip or get "something started", and I shouldn't say it, but I will.

Yes, I was verbally attacked by various member's on Dhamma Wheel's sister site, Dharma wheel (Vajrayana equivalent). I had to quit it.

I am still a Vajrayana/Theravada Buddhist, but I have no idea why that kind of verbal abuse is allowed over there. Right Speech is thrown completely out the window. I would never return to such a site.

My wish is that things get cleaned up over there somehow.

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48vows wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:28 am
Coëmgenu wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:27 am DharmaWheel became increasingly radicalized during the Trump presidency.
I think alot of the name calling and bullying they allow over there had started before trump.

And alot of the things they do don't have to do with politics, just protecting certain members to keep up their appearances
You dare not mention the NKT, or you're automatically banned. Sure, there may be some issues with that sect of Buddhism, but you can't even have a conversation about it. Kelsang Gyatso's basic teachings are beautiful and very much in tune with Mahayana Buddhism in a very surface-level sense. People who go to NKT centers for basic Buddhist teachings are not cult members. Very unwholesome things have happened in the organization (in the higher-up level), but to to write it off as having no legitimacy in the Buddhist world is complete absurdity.

Theravadins talk more about morality; hence, my presence on here. My Vajrayana tendencies only go so far. Mahayana Buddhists need to have more stress put on MORALITY.

Tibetan Buddhism - with all its beauty - is unbelievably political.
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StrivingforMonkhood wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:02 pm This is not to gossip or get "something started", and I shouldn't say it, but I will.

Yes, I was verbally attacked by various member's on Dhamma Wheel's sister site, Dharma wheel (Vajrayana equivalent). I had to quit it.

I am still a Vajrayana/Theravada Buddhist, but I have no idea why that kind of verbal abuse is allowed over there. Right Speech is thrown completely out the window. I would never return to such a site.
It's amazing the amount of swearing, lying, name-calling and bullying that is allowed there.
My wish is that things get cleaned up over there somehow.
Never going to happen.
StrivingforMonkhood wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:27 am Mahayana Buddhists need to have more stress put on MORALITY.
Please remember that it is a small group of people who run that site.
Please don't let that reflect on mahayana buddhist as a whole.
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salayatananirodha wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:50 pm at least here, the suttas form the basis of many or most argumentson the other forum, suttas are probably not considered authoritative because sūtras that entirely contradict them are considered valid.
i havent looked much at the other site but there is no early buddhism section.
for all its flaws, this site values authenticity
You have no idea how true this is.

True story - one of the vip members on the other wheel wrote "the sutra says X"
Another member asked for a citation and was ignored.
So later I posted the relevant ciation, translated the relevant section and included the link.
The vip member was put into a position where he had to correct himself, which he did.
Then the citation was deleted, but the vip member's correction was allowed to stay !

Much later, it was brought up in the thread by a different member - and a different user said "We don't delete relevant citations here, do we? People do need to provide citations to support arguments. If we don't rely on textual authority, then we're just making shit up, frankly."
then the mod replys "No, of course we don't do that intentionally. Does that need to be said? "

Like they can't even be honest about what they do.
alicem wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:42 am The two forums seem to have vastly different temperaments.
thats an understatment !

This is why the one time I say some name calling on this site I said that they shouldn't and take it to dharmawheel where that stuff is ok. - viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39948&p=619810#p619810
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Greetings,

We don't wish to promote disparagement of other forums since that's a violation of our terms of service, so therefore without wanting to extend that indefinitely, I think we can safely say that enough has been shared to show there is negligible to no support for the OP's radical changes.

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