Hawking: Artificial Intelligence Could End Human Race

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Hawking: Artificial Intelligence Could End Human Race

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How?
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I for one welcome our new robot overlords.

But in all seriousness I am just going to default to the usual stance (cop out?) on technology. Could it? maybe. Does it necessarily have to? No. Personally I am curious to see how another consciousness can surface much like our own. Can a truly sentient machine practice the Dhamma? I will confess it would be interesting to find out.
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What does he mean when he says "full AI"? Does he mean self-aware? Like an AI with sakkaya-ditthi? :lol:

I don't think that's possible to make because AFAIK we can only make machines that output certain responses to specific inputs that are sensed. I think a human being is more than that though I'm sure some futurists would disagree
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I just wonder what Nibbana means to this full AI person (being).
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Some thoughts on AI by Jaron Lanier who is arguably the world's leading computer scientist:
“But the Turing test cuts both ways. You can't tell if a machine has gotten smarter or if you've just lowered your own standards of intelligence to such a degree that the machine seems smart. If you can have a conversation with a simulated person presented by an AI program, can you tell how far you've let your sense of personhood degrade in order to make the illusion work for you?

People degrade themselves in order to make machines seem smart all the time. Before the crash, bankers believed in supposedly intelligent algorithms that could calculate credit risks before making bad loans. We ask teachers to teach to standardized tests so a student will look good to an algorithm. We have repeatedly demonstrated our species' bottomless ability to lower our standards to make information technology look good. Every instance of intelligence in a machine is ambiguous.

The same ambiguity that motivated dubious academic AI projects in the past has been repackaged as mass culture today. Did that search engine really know what you want, or are you playing along, lowering your standards to make it seem clever? While it's to be expected that the human perspective will be changed by encounters with profound new technologies, the exercise of treating machine intelligence as real requires people to reduce their mooring to reality.”


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As an IT professional, I will say this much, your computer is a glorified calculator, and Mkoll was spot on with that assessment. We do have some sort of "AI" which is more or less a computer finding logical patterns and adjusting what it is doing based on that pattern, say, a computer playing chess will try to adapt to your strategy by making a good statistical guess of what you are going to do. Otherwise we havn't really found a way to make them truly intelligent, but we have improved their logical number crunching vastly over the years. A computer is actually very dumb when you look at it from the right angle.
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SarathW wrote:How?
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One of the best movies ever made, no question.

I'd much rather have these guys than HAL:

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Mkoll wrote:What does he mean when he says "full AI"? Does he mean self-aware? Like an AI with sakkaya-ditthi? :lol:

I don't think that's possible to make because AFAIK we can only make machines that output certain responses to specific inputs that are sensed. I think a human being is more than that though I'm sure some futurists would disagree
I think the difficulty in creating AI with sakkaya-ditthi is figuring out how to program the computer for sustained ignorance................ :tongue:
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Hawking also warned of an alien invasion...

I think there's a lot of fear and stupidity surrounding AI. Those fears sometimes grab more headlines and sell more ad space than rational discourse.

Personally, I'm of the mind that as with most other technology we have developed AI will have to potential to either benefit us or harm us. The difference will depend on how skillfully it is developed and deployed. It's a field that is still in it's infancy, but there has been some interesting work done.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis
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I'm an AI researcher and can categorically say that the state of the art is far, far away from being of any threat to humanity.

Hawking should stick to Physics :)
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LtComData wrote:I'm an AI researcher and can categorically say that the state of the art is far, far away from being of any threat to humanity.

Hawking should stick to Physics :)
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It's a non-issue, at least for the foreseeable future. Many of us who actually program computers for a living would be delighted if computer intelligence was anywhere near intelligent enough to end the human race. :thinking:

Professor Hawking might be able to do astrophysics calculations in his head, but apparently he's way out of touch with applied computing.
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I wonder whether we are quoting Hawking out of context here.
What he meant was due to artificial intelligence human will create their own destruction.
It is like atomic bomb. We can use that for our well fair or destruction.
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